BAGUATV BLOG BY PAUL CHAN

Zoe Tay & Qi Yu Wu Take Up New Movie Roles

Paul on 17 Nov 2009 10:56 pm

Hey, one of my previous post revealed the stars selected for the Channel 8’s Chinese New year telemovie. I just got a confirmed list of more stars taking up the various roles and some are big names…

Besides the already annouced main leading stars such as 戴阳天Dai Yang Tian, 白薇秀 Joanne Peh, Pornsak and 李国煌 Mark Lee who will be seen in all 5 episodes (each 2 hour long), we now have (more to come):

郑惠玉 Zoe Tay, 陈泰铭 Rayson Tan, 张为 Zhang Wei, 朱秀凤 Zhu Xiu Feng for Movie 1: 以爱为名

戚玉武 Qi Yu Wu (see Dai Yang Tian versus Qi Yu Wu finally), 陈月嫦 Jessica, 洪乙心 Apple Hong, 王昱清 Wang Yu Qing  for Movie 2: 爱.怎么说

杨志龙 Ben Yeo, 陈泓宇 Shaun Chen for Movie 3: 如影随形

李文海 Li Wen Hai, 林梅娇 Lin Mei Jiao, 黄炯耀 Brandon Wong and more stars for Movie 4: 重爱

郑各平 Zheng Ge Ping and more stars for Movie 5: (Title to be confirmed)

For more details on what the 10 hour long movie is all about, please refer to my previous blog post, just click the link now: http://blogs.xin.sg/baguatv/2009/11/09/%e5%b0%8f%e6%88%b4-dyt%e4%b8%8e%e5%b0%8f%e7%99%bdjp%e5%bd%93%e4%b8%8a%e7%94%b5%e5%bd%b1movie%e7%94%b7%e5%a5%b3%e4%b8%bb%e8%a7%92/)

Coming Up Next:

 ’当我们同在一起 Together’ Press Conference including the much anticipated Preview (with video)

‘Knock-Knock 敲敲门’: Jeanette Aw (she spent 8 hours replying all your questions)

Tags: Bagua TV, Dai Yang Tian, Jeanette Aw, Joanne Peh, MediaCorp, MediaCorp Telemovie, Paul Chan, Paul Chan's blog, Qi Yu Wu, Together, year end blockbuster, Zheng Ge Ping, Zoe Tay, 当我们同在一起, 戚玉武, 戴阳天, 欧萱, 王昱清, 白薇秀, 郑惠玉

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225 Responses to “Zoe Tay & Qi Yu Wu Take Up New Movie Roles”

1. erm... on 17 Nov 2009 at 11:13 pm #

   

   erm…will jeanette stand a chance to participate in the telemovie?

   (Paul: No, she will be moving fast into the new drama ‘New Beginnings’)

2. yt on 17 Nov 2009 at 11:19 pm #

   

   You mean JA reply ALL the qns? Spend 8 hours on them? It’s enough for a good night sleep leh… Actually we are not rushing her…so she can actually take her time.

   (Paul: Yes, she did. she started working on it at 12pm and when she finished typing, it was 8pm!)

3. :/ on 17 Nov 2009 at 11:22 pm #

   

   Is this going to be like a regular program like in the past?

   (Paul: Details in my previous post…just click and read lah…)

4. true on 17 Nov 2009 at 11:29 pm #

   

   First to comment! Looking forward to Jeanette’s interview!

   And jeanette has updated her blog post. I find the topic on shoes something refreshing, fresh and enable us to understand her better! Do check out.

5. LiYinZhuFC President on 17 Nov 2009 at 11:41 pm #

   

   What the hell,NO LiYinZhu again???????SAD

6. oh on 17 Nov 2009 at 11:46 pm #

   

   oh,

   that’s good news! I am anticipating that telemovie.

   Hey Paul, I have 2 questions for you.

   1) ‘Your Hand In Mine’ had 180 episodes. Is it divided into 5 different stories in the whole drama?
   Not really but it will go through different phases…it may be funny at this stage but soon it will move into more melodrama…

   2) How was the reception for that drama, Your Hand in Mine?
   Very good for 7pm….oh well…it was all Malaysian dramas before that lor…

   Please reply. Thank you.

7. ekm on 17 Nov 2009 at 11:46 pm #

   

   good

8. joel on 18 Nov 2009 at 12:45 am #

   

   sooooo looking forward to your updates this week… jeanette fever is going to consume the entire Singapore

9. Li Lin on 18 Nov 2009 at 8:55 am #

   

   Finally we get to see our beloved Zoe on tv again, it’s been a long time since the Ultimatum aired. Cant wait for her new telemovie!

10. antiCHW on 18 Nov 2009 at 10:26 am #

    

    By all means, telemovies are no movies. Please don’t say something like “taking movie roles”, while its clearly not.

    Fann Wong is the one taking movie roles, while Zoe Tay, as usual, can only get job offers from Mediacorp and Mediacorp only.

    Not to mention, your unsurprisingly bias towards Zoe Tay, Paul.

    (Paul: OK, I love Fann and does it satisfy you now?)

11. thanks, JA! =) on 18 Nov 2009 at 11:00 am #

    

    (Paul: Yes, she did. she started working on it at 12pm and when she finished typing, it was 8pm!)

    hello, Paul!
    all the questions?? u mean, all the questions u gave her?? have u categorized them?? ah!! increditable!! btw, how many questions in total??

    hehe, JA spent 8 hours on replying our questions and updated her blog at 21:10, rite?
    thanks, JA!! u are really kind!! all the Jeaniuses will support u 4ever!! =)

    also, thank u, Paul. =)

12. obsessed on 18 Nov 2009 at 11:04 am #

    

    YEAH!! ZOE finally got show again..
    Is this all Paul? Will she be involved in any drama?!

    (Paul: Just this for now…but I think she got chance in 2010 – alot of dramas need matured women like Zoe, Fann, Yvonne, Ann, Cynthia)

13. ch8 supporter on 18 Nov 2009 at 11:23 am #

    

    Hi Paul, may I know what is the storyline for 以爱为名? And what will Zoe be acting as? Thanks.

    (Paul: Another time lah…)

14. Tammy on 18 Nov 2009 at 12:13 pm #

    

    Yay! We finally can have a chance to see yuwu back on tv again!!! Really looking forward to this telemovie!

15. pig on 18 Nov 2009 at 12:39 pm #

    

    So what will be the timeslot for the new telemovie? Will this telemovie be nominated for next year star awards?
    (Paul: details were listed in my previous blog post)

16. misled again on 18 Nov 2009 at 1:59 pm #

    

    Paul, you really ought to differentiate between FREE-to-watch TELE-movie & the PAY-to-watch REAL movie lah, pls. Your title is so very misleading lor.

17. Add on 18 Nov 2009 at 2:19 pm #

    

    PLEASE PAUL I BEG YOU GIVE JEANETTE AW A CHANCE TO ACT IN ONE OF THE TELEMOVIES THANK YOU!SHE IS ONE OF THE YOUNG RISING STARS WHO OUGHT TO BE GIVEN A CHANCE TO HOST AND ACT IN TELEMOVIES…HOPE U READ MY COMMENT AND JEANETTE AW WE JEANIUS WILL SUPPORT U JIA YOU

    (Paul: Me? I can’t lah)

18. HAHAHA on 18 Nov 2009 at 3:30 pm #

    

    (Paul: Me? I can’t lah)

    HAHA, SUPER PAUL, U CAN LA!! XDDDDD

    btw, looking forward to ur new entries. thanks. =)

19. high on 18 Nov 2009 at 3:40 pm #

    

    Hi Paul!

    Any news on what roles Fann Wong will be taking up soon? Hope she can act in some local dramas too! Thanks! =)

    (Paul: No news leh…)

20. Rw on 18 Nov 2009 at 4:07 pm #

    

    Will felicia be able to take up any tele-movie ?

    She have no show at all for 2010

21. ouxuanfan on 18 Nov 2009 at 4:42 pm #

    

    omg,8hrs!! tough on her,haha(:
    thankss soo much!!=)

22. paupei on 18 Nov 2009 at 4:49 pm #

    

    I heard that jeanette aw acting in some movie is it true or not paul?

23. oh pls on 18 Nov 2009 at 4:51 pm #

    

    @high
    Fann will be doing a local movie with Pat Mok. Look out for it next year, around end of CNY. After the movie wraps up, then the charity show for renci, after that, she will be going for her honeymoon. So pls, she’s very busy, hasn’t rest enough, don’t ask her do any small-scale LOCAL dramas that Mediacorp has no intention to promote here or overseas.

    Paul, pls don’t ask Fann to do any local dramas, pls. So pls don’t waste Fann’s time, let her rest. don’t do injustice to her, pls.

    If there’s nothing good for her, let her rest.

    (Paul: Aiyoh, your allegations cannot be printed unless you want to face trial)

24. - on 18 Nov 2009 at 6:08 pm #

    

    looking forward to the interview

25. 呕萱 on 18 Nov 2009 at 6:39 pm #

    

    See ? See the difference now ? Joanne’s fans don’t have to beg Paul Chan to let their Idol act in Telemovies and she was chosen by the producers to act automatically ! But Jeanette ?

    Jeanette Aw fans MUST BEG Paul Chan , beg the Mediacorp producers & Scriptwriters to let Jeanette act , then Jeanette will have a chance to act in MEGA Blockbusters & Telemovies ! First was ‘ TOGETHER ‘ and now they are trying to beg Paul Chan AGAIN to ask him to convey the message & get the fans wishes granted by having Jeanette to act in Telemovies !

    What a disgrace Jeanette Fans are ! To think a soon to be Ah Jie has to have their fans to go round begging then she will have roles to act ! Haha … So POOR Thing ! What a pity state !

26. Ro on 18 Nov 2009 at 6:54 pm #

    

    (Paul: Just this for now…but I think she got chance in 2010 – alot of dramas need matured women like Zoe, Fann, Yvonne, Ann, Cynthia)

    Yeshh! More of Cynthia, Yvonne, Fann, Zoe! Please don’t give Ann Kok anymore role, firstly many got sick of her, Secondly she already old liao still want play young girl girl, she think she is still ah jie and play mother very jia let meh? Zoe, Fann, Yvonne, Cynthia is a good choice. They are all Best Actress. Zoe have a few show have very high viewership, fann is regional ah jie, yvonne got fanbase as proven in 2009 star award, cynthia willing to sacrifice like stepping out and happy family.

    Ann? only want play young girl girl, dramas acted by her only you fu win best drama, none of her drama high viewership except the auntie show with huiang and xiangyun currently high.

    i am glad ann play a supporting role in mo huan si jie only, please don’t gib her any role after the movie and mo huan si jie.

    a li ka dou.

27. HAHAHA on 18 Nov 2009 at 7:13 pm #

    

    to 呕萱：
    hey，这位先生亦或是这位小姐，您的话语中怎么充斥着“嫉妒”的感觉？？抑或是，您没有判断力，可以用来辨别留言者是在开玩笑？？悲哀啊。。您把人家的玩笑话当作是祈求的话。。
    =。=

    对了，原来JEANIUS有这么强大的力量。。可以影响到这么多人（the Mediacorp producers & Scriptwriters & Paul Chan）。。 ><
    那为什么影响不到某些记者朋友呢？？总是出现些不友善的话语。。

    hey，呕萱，Jeanette不需要Jeanius的beg。。更何况Jeanius根本没有在beg。。 ==！！

28. cloud on 18 Nov 2009 at 7:23 pm #

    

    致给上面那位没教养的人：

    到底谁欠了你？为什么你非得要一直弄脏paul的博客，写些莫名奇妙的东西？
    有人说你是故意在挑拨离间，连jp的粉丝都不承认你的存在。。。
    到底是谁比较可悲？

    先看清楚自己的立场，不要只是一味的诬蔑别人。

29. Zoe Fan on 18 Nov 2009 at 7:33 pm #

    

    YES! Looking forward to AH JiE’s Tele-movie!

30. high on 18 Nov 2009 at 8:11 pm #

    

    Hi Paul,
    many thanks! As to oh pls, I think many local Fann fans still want to see Fann work in a good local production.

    Supported with good script and nice plot, I believe Fann can make an even bigger comeback next year! So no matter what Fann chooses to do, I’ll always support her!!!

31. Kim on 18 Nov 2009 at 8:45 pm #

    

    To Add,

    Why should we beg MDC to give Jeanette a telemovie, let nature takes its course. Even if Jeanette is not given any role in any telemovie, it is fine, it is not a movie, please.
    Don’t make the Jeanius lose ‘face’ over a telemovie, the night is still young, ok.
    Let Jeanette take a good and wonderful holiday after filming the New Beginning, ok.

32. kalingzheng on 18 Nov 2009 at 9:26 pm #

    

    那个“呕萱”的，人做FANS你做FANS，怎么这么没素质哦~~~you are so cheap~~
    我们永远支持欧萱，我是来自中国的影迷

33. To 呕萱 on 18 Nov 2009 at 9:54 pm #

    

    You are really clever. Always taking the opportunity to insult others and in the end say good things about your Joanne. DISGRACE! After spitting your insults and abusive language you wont dare to reply to our retaliation. THAT’S YOUR REAL MOTIVE! Insult and run. Cowardly behavior you have. Stop your insults cause it just shows up how low-class Joanne’s fans are. Hahas. So on the other hand you are insulting your untouchable Joanne. Too bad… IF YOU DARE PLEASE DO REPLY CAUSE SHOWING THE COWARD BEHAVIOUR OF YOURS REALLY IRKS ME. I DON’T THINK THIS SEMI-RETARDED JOANNE FAN WILL REPLY, SHE LACKED THE GUTS. AFTER SPITTING SOME SALIVA HERE AND THERE THAT’S IT, HE/ SHE HAVE DONE HER MISSION BUT FAILED TO ACCOMPLISH IT.

    i SUSPECT THAT ”ADD” MAY BE 呕萱. He/She wanna act so as to give himself/herself a topic to insult. Really disgraceful and embarrassing behaviour you have! I really pity you. All the insults hurled ended up insulting Joanne and your own parents who brought you up. Your parents must be disgraced!

34. To 呕萱 on 18 Nov 2009 at 10:02 pm #

    

    And we need not beg. Those roles come to Jeanette easily. People want her to act but she is busy filming New Beginnings so it’s a pity that she can’t take part. Hence, it’s Mediacorp loss.

    So the audience will have to settle the oh-so-retarded-呕萱’s idol JP. She is the RESERVED I think. Reserved for programmes and dramas that are in need of female actress and which nobody wanna take part in. Jeanette will always be the first choice while Joanne will always be the last.

    Sorry no offense to Jp’s cool/wonderful/great/sincere/kind-hearted fans! Joanne don’t need people like 呕萱 who pull down Jp’s popularity.

35. To 呕萱 on 18 Nov 2009 at 10:08 pm #

    

    I expect another cowardly act from you! Do continue pulling down jp’s popularity and guan zhong yuan!

    Thanks 呕萱 for the many many different ways and means you tried to defame Jeanette but ended up hurting your own idols. Impersonation of ”ADD”.

    ”PLEASE PAUL I BEG YOU GIVE JEANETTE AW A CHANCE TO ACT IN ONE OF THE TELEMOVIES THANK YOU!SHE IS ONE OF THE YOUNG RISING STARS WHO OUGHT TO BE GIVEN A CHANCE TO HOST AND ACT IN TELEMOVIES…HOPE U READ MY COMMENT AND JEANETTE AW WE JEANIUS WILL SUPPORT U JIA YOU”

    Look at the begging part ”PLEASE PAUL I BEG YOU GIVE”. Jeanette’s fans wont use the word ”beg”… It is so obvious man! To prevent any suspicions, 4hours later, this guy comes back to insult a topic which he had created! Disgraceful. i wonder what other methods you will try.

36. together on 18 Nov 2009 at 10:37 pm #

    

    no one needs to beg for roles. EPs will choose their own actors. they won’t be swayed by anonymous begging.
    i wonder if new beginnings will be sponsored by new moon?

37. Peter on 18 Nov 2009 at 10:40 pm #

    

    (Paul: Just this for now…but I think she got chance in 2010 – alot of dramas need matured women like Zoe, Fann, Yvonne, Ann, Cynthia)

    Hi Paul, which drama ANN will be in?

    (Paul: No idea yet but I think got chance de…)

38. cloud on 18 Nov 2009 at 11:22 pm #

    

    原来如此～感谢聪明的大家～
    原来是那个家伙自编自导自演。。。
    真是个可悲的家伙，或许有精神分裂。。。
    该吃药了～
    叫jp来救救你吧～可能还有得救～
    但你在这里做鬼作怪，想必jp也不愿救你。。。

    不要随便冒用jeanius的名义，你不配！

39. jade on 18 Nov 2009 at 11:29 pm #

    

    what is the title of the tele-movie?

    (Paul: You mean one single title?)

40. LiYinZhuFC President on 18 Nov 2009 at 11:51 pm #

    

    Come on,Stop theJeanette argue!!!!!!!!I hope to seeLYinZhu news again!!!!!!!!!!

41. M'sia Guy on 19 Nov 2009 at 12:58 am #

    

    To 呕萱：
    咦，真奇怪？新加坡怎么会出了一个这么没有水准，而且还那么没修养的人呢？就不知他／她是否是新加坡人？是土生土长道地的或是外来的呢？新加坡政府接纳新移民的标准一向都是蛮严格的，绝不允许三教九流之类的融入而且扰乱社会秩序！不过此人看来是既没有水准又没修养，不可能是这里人吧？我在新加坡少说也呆了二十多年，绝对是很少碰到此等人？也许他／她只是路过的吧？又或者是来自一个完全还未开化，没有任何文化修养的国度吧？如果真是这样就请他／她滚到远远的去！别在这里胡言乱语！咱们漂亮甜美的玉女欧萱由不得你乱批评！
    拜托就别再吃那么多脏东西了，已经呕吐到全身脏兮兮了！如果还是不听忠告，迟早会食物中毒最后“一命乌呼”！

42. lookforward on 19 Nov 2009 at 2:51 am #

    

    Sweetie Jeanette spent 8hrs to reply to our questions??? WOW, 2thumbs up for Jeanette!! You are so sweet and thoughtful.

43. AnnFan on 19 Nov 2009 at 3:31 am #

    

    didn anyone said wan play those young girl roles…and didn anyone said dun wan play those Antie roles… the important is she was said that she dont mind what Ahjie not Ahjie! and what time she was said she is Ahjie,she dun wan play those antie roles?

    Ro, Pls tell me!! Pual,was ann said she is Ahjie,she dun wan play those antie roles?

    Tht day Ann just say “her fans” happy can see she no need act Mother agian!!!just this…no others mean…why u need said like that?

    i dun agree tht u said any drama acted by Ann none any high viewership??? May i know any drama acted by Ann…ALL LOW VIEWERSHIP??? all drama lead by Ann ALL is LOUSY drama? PLS la!! some drama(The Ultiminum) acted by Fann Wong And Zoe Tay also LOW VIEWERSHIP…

    The 6 dramas in 1st half 2009…gt 2 drama acted by Ann…1 drama acted by Fann and Zoe…bt how about the viewership???双子星is the Lowest rating in those 6 drama? what happen? Zoe And Fann OLD than Ann…but they still act single!

    Last, Ann nt a supporting actress in 魔幻视界, she is a important roles..she act Thomas’s Ex-lover and Ex-assistant…after competition wif Thomas! Ann is a Best Actress in Mediacorp…b4 this year, she dint many chance…now she is try and hard strengthen her performance…PLS let Ann try more breakthrough,she can do better thn other star…include those Ahjie…Pls!!!

    suggest tht ppl dun like Ann, she is try hard in her performance…pls respect her pls…if displease anyone…Sorry

    Pual,May u post some about the …thx

44. 呕萱 on 19 Nov 2009 at 8:21 am #

    

    I think Jeanette Fans do have amnesia … ! When that time Jeanette do not have any Dramas for the whole of 2009 , and may lose out in the running for STAR Awards next year , their fans got SO very worried that there were SO MANY PLEAS & ‘ begging ‘ in this Blog to persaude Paul Chan to tell the ‘ TOGETHER ‘ EP , Scriptwriters to choose Jeanette !

    Now that Jeanette is chosen , doesn’t that prove that begging does work ? After all the kind deeds done to help your idol get the role by the respective people involved , now that Jeanette has been chosen for the role of ‘ TOGETHER ‘ , u all 过河拆桥 already !

    Very clever & realistic people u all are ! So ungrateful & unthankful ! If u all are not , then why do u all say Jeanette don’t need their fans to help beg the role , Dramas or Telemovies for Jeanette ?

    Jeanius lose face , go blame ‘ ADD ‘ la , want to help Jeanette beg for roles , beg until so openly & use the name of Jeanius and make u all lose face !

45. Faint on 19 Nov 2009 at 8:53 am #

    

    wah lau eh, that antiCHW, u can think the world of ur Fann Wong, but Zoe Tay has always been regarded as #1 in Singapore no matter how well Fann does overseas ok. stop tryin to put down ur idol’s rival ok.

    and i dun think Paul is biased twds Zoe. in a previous post Paul also said that DYT & Joanne were acting in MOVIE roles also! why didn’t u make noise abt that too? U ARE OBVIOUSLY BIASED AGAINST Zoe Tay!

    it is people like u who make others hate Fann Wong loh.

46. To 呕萱 on 19 Nov 2009 at 8:57 am #

    

    u can think whatever you want.

    but let me tell u, Jeanette will go down in singapore tv history with one of the best loved characters /roles as Yueniang. she’s already in the same league as Zoe (with Bobo), Liping (with Aiyoyo & Mo Wan Wan), Xiang Yun (with Ah Mei) etc.

    and… joanne? probably one of the most undeserved best actress recipients. she stole the best actress frm Fann / Liping / Jeanette.

47. LOL on 19 Nov 2009 at 9:14 am #

    

    ROFL, faints

48. To "To 呕萱" on 19 Nov 2009 at 9:28 am #

    

    Please lah. Jeanette is not the only one who is busy filming. She might have another drama after Together, but she still has at least a week or two in between to rest and all. Plus, she’s been resting since the beginning of the year till the filming of Together.
    Whereas for Joanne, she has been filming since January and her filming will only end next July. She’s the busy one here. She has been filming for almost a year and she has TWO roles to handle now. Add the telemovie one, and she has THREE roles to handle now. Look who’s the busy one here?
    & you are really contradicting. First, you called Joanne’s fans low-life, then later you go “Sorry no offense”. Aren’t you being contradicting here?! =__=||

49. ahboyahgirl on 19 Nov 2009 at 9:29 am #

    

    yalor…at least more fair to those veteran artistes like Zoe…………….to be in the dramas for the 2nd half of 2010. Afterall the 1st half of 2010 already occupied by the 7P empire.Equal share mah…

50. yay on 19 Nov 2009 at 9:30 am #

    

    So nice to see Jessica having a role! Jessica Tan I mean. Is she going to be the lead with 715 in the movie?

    (Paul: Not sure…later will know lah…)

51. Kim on 19 Nov 2009 at 9:37 am #

    

    Whether it is tyhoon or cyclone, it doesn’t matter. When you are strong in the inside and if Jeanette continue to grow in her acting skills and in beauty, within the next five years, she is still in demand.

52. Zenia on 19 Nov 2009 at 9:44 am #

    

    I hope to see Felicia and Jeanette getting more roles next year. That is all.

53. oh pls on 19 Nov 2009 at 10:37 am #

    

    (Paul: Aiyoh, your allegations cannot be printed unless you want to face trial)

    @Paul
    Pls print my full posting, I’m not worried about whatever libel suit. I didn’t make any false allegations, I’m just stating what everybody can see & read, nothing add on to spice up the whole thing. Maybe, you are scared that the media will read it, not coz you are worried for me facing a libel suit.

    @high
    do you think mediacorp will give Fann any good dramas or any good roles?
    they only gave her rejected roles (the defining moment); supporting role (the ultimatum); Forget it. Just let Fann rest instead of wasting her energy on useless dramas that get to nowhere. All these dramas only show that Mediacorp is treating Fann as a B-lister when in reality she’s the biggest star at mediacorp. Strange management, isn’t it? Haha, every time I look at the way mediacorp treats Fann, I understand why is mediacorp so unsuccessful in the region.

    (Paul: Go support her movies lor and make sure all your friends and families go buy tickets lor…if you really support her…)

54. To Add on 19 Nov 2009 at 11:19 am #

    

    hi jeanette aw never get a chance to act in the telemovies coz she got the new beginnings so don worry and DUN BEG PAUL its a disgrace to jeanette fans and just bcoz she got no telemovies to act dun mean her acting is not good

55. Dear Mr.Paul on 19 Nov 2009 at 11:21 am #

    

    Dear Mr.Paul:
    hello, Paul.

    when will u post the entry of ‘knock-knock: Jeanette Aw’ ?
    u noe, it has been such a long time, really looking forward to it. XDDD

    thanks, Paul. =)

    (Paul: After the press con of ‘Together’, her 8 hours worth of reply will be up soon)

56. Add on 19 Nov 2009 at 11:28 am #

    

    Hi,i am really sorry.I just wanted jeanette to act in a telemovie, am so sorry, i jus hoped that mdc will give jeanette a role but ended up embarassing jeanette and jeanius and myself so pls accept my sincere apology.Thank You.

57. Add on 19 Nov 2009 at 11:31 am #

    

    Hi, i am very sorry for what had happened so pls forgive me i jus wanted jeanette to have a role but ended up embarassing myself,jeanette and jeanius.So pls accept my sincere apology.Thanks.

58. cloud on 19 Nov 2009 at 12:08 pm #

    

    jp的fans，请问你们认识上面那位“有问题”的人吗？
    如果是自家人，那麻烦请带走！
    我相信jp应该有教你们要做个文明的粉丝吧？
    如果不认识，那就请个代表出来跟那人撇清关系。
    一直持续下去，只会影响到jp。。。

    那人一直说别人“踩”jp，但请问是谁先开始在这里撒野的？
    大家井水不犯河水，好好支持自己的偶像不就得了，
    为什么一定要用那么难看的字眼来诬蔑别人的偶像？！

    那人说别人称呼jp为joanne pui,我想应该是那人自己说的吧！
    那人不喜欢jp就跑来这里制造混乱！
    这种游戏不要玩太多，小心真的sot掉！

59. To 呕萱 on 19 Nov 2009 at 12:10 pm #

    

    Looks like u still wanna insult huh? She have been resting from the beginning of the year cause she is totally busy from the year 2008. 4dramas you know? Most of it are leading roles. Joanne? She is the supporting role for TLN if you know? SUPPORTING. That’s why she is sooo free to take in more roles! So many people are busy filming YHIM okay. Not only your Joanne. I don’t think Joanne is the lead role for YHIM. Look at how many scenes she got over the 2weeeks…

    And if you say they are so busy filming you should include CLP, HWY. YVONNE LIM, BELINDA, CAI PEI XUAN, SHAUN CHEN, PEIRRE PNG, Paige Chua, CAVIN SOH and over 20 other actors. They are all busy filming! So what are u implying? There is over 30++ actors/actress so what can your supporting Joanne be busy filming about? Please la! The first leading stars are the family of CLP AND HWY and their three daughters. The second batch of leading stars are Jin Yin Ji and their family with their two grandchildren Paige and Shaun. The third batch is Peirre and his rich family with the love affair between Yvonne and Shaun. The fourth batch is Zhang Yao Dong with his love affair between Cai Pei Xuan. The fifth batch is FINALLY your Joanne peh and Cavin soh. Joanne Peh is only romantically associated with ZYD.

    So what can she be busy filming about? PLEASE don’t disgrace yourself you look like a fool here!@ And the tele movie has only 5episodes. How to be busy?

    She is so free to UPDATE HER BLOG everyday so what is she busy about?

60. oh pls on 19 Nov 2009 at 12:14 pm #

    

    Paul: Go support her movies lor and make sure all your friends and families go buy tickets lor…if you really support her…)

    Sure will, Thks.

    Today zaobao did an interview with Ivy Lee’s hubby. The reporter said mediacorp has already completely lost their ground in the region. Ivy Lee’s hubby gave his POV on that. Go & read it., everybody.

    Everybody knows it’s cos of the strange management due to the change in the drama production dept. I really miss Jiang Long & Chua Swan. During their era, they really produce very good dramas & successfully sold it to the biggest market, China. If they had stayed on, mediacorp won’t be at this sorry state. As Ivy’s hubby pointed out rightly, mediacorp is too short-sighted & calculative, that caused the downfall of their regional biz.

    Chua Swan was the one who spotted Fann. Jiang Long was the one who know Fann can help open up overseas market for mediacorp. He said on TV in 1996, his friends in Shanghai asked him how long has Fann been acting after seeing her performance in the 5 episodes drama Romance in Shanghai.
    He told his friend “önly 2 yrs” & his friend was shock that a newbie can act so well. Jiang Long proudly told this story. And during the audition for 1 of the years Star Search (was it 2001?), he was invited back to help find the right contestants at the audition, he said he hopes to find someone like zoe tay BUT much better still, if he can find another one like FANN.

    During the era of Jiang Long & Chua Swan, Fann always got very challenging roles & always their top choice. In fact, not only Fann, ALL the artistes got very challenging roles too, cos the dramas got very high standard in their story-lines. But after they left, the drama production standards drop. You only see housewife/ah soh/aunty/ah ma/uncle/ ah chek/coffee-shop/family/in other words low-cost productions. You can see the artistes are jaded with all these productions. And the drama & promo teams are either short-handed, short of talents or short of money, that’s why they can only reserve all their available resources for just ONE year end blockbuster & the rest of the dramas are just made to fill the time-slots.

    Like Ivy’s hubby said, mediacorp only think of making profit & cut cost, not far-sighted etc. He gave a very valuable suggestion about how to launch local artistes in the region. But I think it’s too late now.

    mediacorp has made a wrong move & now they can’t get back the China market.

    Paul, pls don’t worry for me, pls print this out.Thks.

61. To 呕萱 on 19 Nov 2009 at 12:16 pm #

    

    YOU ARE SO CHEAP! LOOK LIKE A CLOWN WHO LAUGH AT PEOPLE FOR NO REASON AT ALL!

    SO CHEAP! CHEAPSTAKE

62. Fanny on 19 Nov 2009 at 12:26 pm #

    

    We still don’t know who really is ”ADD”. It can be 呕萱 who acts and impersonate to enable him to create and make out a topic to laugh at others! While in the end, she is mocking at herself/himself.

63. cherish on 19 Nov 2009 at 12:40 pm #

    

    to : To 呕萱

    This is my opinion after read Paul Chan’s blog for quite some time:

    I think what 呕萱 commented here were not the most harsh (though I don’t agree her/him in some way) COMPARE to what JA’s fan & other artists’ fan did in previous post of Paul Chan’s blog & maybe in other MDC artists’ blogs.

    I think 呕萱 maybe a younger fan that was hurted when her/his idol being insulted in such a way (though I also have this feeling but won’t do like her).

    Do you all forget back then how JA’s fan insult JP when she win BA in Star Award & when JA’s fans beg MDC or Paul to give JA role in Together? I still remember the words they use. It’s indeed JA’s fans ever BEG for JA before.

    I’m sorry to offense some of JA’s fan but it prove to you that the more retarded fan that JA have, should also pull down JA popularity?
    Maybe you think this person 呕萱 is just retarded fan but he/she will not pull down JP’s popularity for sure as for you know that there is still many silent fan will suport JP always in their ways.

64. TO FAINT on 19 Nov 2009 at 12:48 pm #

    

    So you are those zoe fans who think PEOPLE hate Fann & EVERYBODY loves zoe huh? Pls lah, stop all these delusions, can?

    It’s such a sad thing that zoe fans keep hankering for the fake #1 title for zoe.
    where are the proof/proofs of her being #1? Just from those few ignorant media people who love her so much that they lost their brains? Just from those few colleagues of hers who love her so much that they blindly crown her #1?

    And pls stop another of you zoe fans’delusions – that EVERYBODY regards zoe as #1. C’mon, how can it be EVERYBODY? You zoe fans think the universe makes up of you zoe fans only? Don’t be ignorant lah.

    And what’s the point of being called #1 by few ignorant people who love her, when in reality, she is begging for jobs at mediacorp? don’t tell me, she’s #1 cos she’s the #1 beggar for jobs at mediacorp hor?

    Don’t start another round of “The Reality of Zoe tay being told” here, save some face for your zoe.

65. Attention to all people who likes Jeanette on 19 Nov 2009 at 1:11 pm #

    

    Next time if this fellow “呕萱” or he/she might use another name to attack JA’s fans, write negative things on this blog again, just please do not read his/her comment, and do not comment / reply back.
    NO USE!!!

    His/her intention is notoriously known for making Jeanette’s fans upset.

    I just hope that what “this problem fellow” has said never return back to himself. Because amazingly on this earth, what you said/act will get back to you eventually. Time will tell all.

66. DT on 19 Nov 2009 at 3:25 pm #

    

    Paul, seriously MDC should consider getting Huang Biren back (of course dont expect her to come back if mediacorp give her ‘rubbish collector’ role etc la)!
    you see ar… currently there’s not many “matured women” left in MDC!

    fann wong may be pregnant, chen liping/yvonne lim are filming ‘your hand in mine’, ivy lee is in hk…

    that leaves u with a small choice of zoe, ann and cynthia! definitely not enough! and somemore guo1 ling4 song4 said huangbiren can dai4 xi4…
    plus her recent shows all high viewership, better than e 2 ah-jies…
    1998 stand by me (1st) 2001 three women and a half (1st) , 2002 jiu ceng gao (1st), 2002 the vagrant (2nd), hao er hao nv 2002 (3rd), 2003 hao er hao nv II (2nd) , 2004 an ode to life(1st), mars vs venus 2007 (3rd)…the undisclosed, beautiful trio were also relatively well-received!

    hope biren can act at least 1 drama after maternity leave… I WANT HUANGBIREN!

    (Paul: Well…I also want what…but it is really Biren’s call to accept or not lor…)

67. Carmen on 19 Nov 2009 at 3:27 pm #

    

    Hey Ro…pls dun mind me for saying this, but I think what u said abt Ann is really impolite…I’m sure u wouldn’t like ppl to say the same abt u right? Pls, I know I hv no rights to tell u what to do, but I hope u’ll at least apologise for the remark u made about Ann…….Thk u!

68. Justice on 19 Nov 2009 at 3:33 pm #

    

    Paul,
    you really must get a kick out of reading all these fans creating this JA vs JP frenzy.

    To all these supposed fans, all this bickering really is an emabarrassment to both your idols. There are plenty of roles out there. One getting another doesn’t mean one is better. It’s sometimes a decision made based on many variables that no one but production knows.

    Both Joanne and Jeannette have successfully maintained their status based on their body of work. Why don’t both camps give credit where credit is due and move on.

69. karen on 19 Nov 2009 at 4:36 pm #

    

    不知道那个叫“呕萱”的人是不是新加坡人，如果是的话真是让我大跌眼镜了。因为我一直认为新加坡是个很文明的国度，竟说出这样的话，真是丢了新加坡人的脸。如果不是，真不知道这人是从哪里冒出来的，这么没家教，是野大的吗？

70. antiCHW on 19 Nov 2009 at 4:59 pm #

    

    Faint (08:53:04) :

    “wah lau eh, that antiCHW, u can think the world of ur Fann Wong, but Zoe Tay has always been regarded as #1 in Singapore no matter how well Fann does overseas ok. stop tryin to put down ur idol’s rival ok.”

    Let me rephrase it for you.
    No matter how bad Zoe actually performs, she will always be No 1 in Sg Media and MCS’s hearts.
    Fair? Hell no.
    But God knows it. So undeserving people like Zoe can’t get a real movie offer after a complete failure in 2001, can’t get any recognition outside SG (because it is out of SG Media’s control) and can’t even get any job offer outside MCS.
    Real talent like Fann will never ever have to worry about this.

    Substance is the key thing separating Fann from Zoe. And thanks, Paul, for your insincere words.

71. peter on 19 Nov 2009 at 5:47 pm #

    

    To AnnFan

    ANN show always achieved the highest viewership

    2005 – You fu (one of the highest)
    2006- love convierge, The one? (variety show)
    2007 – not in any drama?
    2008 –
    2009 – housewife holiday

72. peter on 19 Nov 2009 at 5:55 pm #

    

    To Ro

    please get the fact right before you make any comments.

    ANN act evil in love concierge and that was the drama with the highest viewership in 2006 and she was nominated for BA.

    ANN variety show in 2006 also with highest viewership.

    although she did get much opportunities in 07 & 08, she make a comeback in 09 and proven to be as popular as ever before with different roles..

73. Ro on 19 Nov 2009 at 5:56 pm #

    

    if one of the highest then for wat use? some star also one of the highest, how many drama can mediacrop produce 1 year? about 10 – 13, get into top 10 very easy unless unlucky to be out of it.

    love concierge also not 1st, only her housewife holiday get 1st plus still got the new blockbuster, so not confirm is 1st or wat.

74. lifeless people on 19 Nov 2009 at 6:52 pm #

    

    to all those fan(s) of jp/ja out there. there could be only one jp fan and one ja fan posting to reply each other all these while. but their motive is very simple, that is to draw our attention to them, and of course, their beloved idols. but just to let u guys realise tht you both/all are disgracing your idols. so stop posting and intend to make your idols more popular. so far, i’ve not seen fans of other artistes doing so just to make their idol more popular. so stop all these rubbish. if your idol has the charm and ability to draw people’s attention, they’ll eventually be popular. dont do such silly things please. they are not going to thank you all for making them ‘popular’ in such a manner.

75. to ''to : To 呕萱'' on 19 Nov 2009 at 6:58 pm #

    

    Why the hell are you still siding with your 呕萱? Don’t you get it? Jeanette’s fans are not the ones who insulted Joanne and giving her a nickname of ”pui” and ”plastic surgery saga”, etc. NOT JEANETTE FANS.

    So why is 呕萱 taking vengeance on us? He/she is taking revenge on us? Please, get the facts right! We didn’t ever beg okay. Each and single one of us even non-JA fans peeps give out our honest and most sincere opinion on who should take the Block-buster roles. And the FACT is, Jeanette is REALLY suitable and best-fitted of the role. You said we ‘beg”. I beg to diifer! And no matter how we beg and beg as you have said, Paul would not just give the role. It’’s up to the director. And it’s obvious you are taking this opportunity to insult. Don’t use the word ”beg” la. We are not beggars. And you think just begging can work huh?

76. true on 19 Nov 2009 at 7:03 pm #

    

    呕萱 is REALLY a disgrace to us Singaporeans. Even Jeanette’s fans from other countries eg. Malaysia, China, Indonesia, etc have come and look at how we argue and insult over our idols.

    Really disgracing us. WHAT A BLACK SHEEP. Paul you gotta take some action. This kind of people should be expatriated out of Singapore and never be able to come back. Maybe send him to the corners of the Earth and never be seen again~~~~~~~~~~

    Are you happy that you have disgraced Joanne, yourself, your parents and lastly SINGAPORE! WELL DONE.

77. true on 19 Nov 2009 at 7:10 pm #

    

    SO many baseless comments and disgraceful people up there. Look at the ARGUMENT.

    Fann VS Zoe
    Ann
    Jp VS JA

    The first Position goes to 呕萱!!!!! *Claps* You are really SHAMELESS. Shameless to the point that you are DISGRACING Singapore to overseas fans!

78. grace on 19 Nov 2009 at 7:37 pm #

    

    wow she actually spent 8 HOURS!! can really c her sincerity! looking forward to it and together

79. PEACE on 19 Nov 2009 at 7:38 pm #

    

    Aiyo… Will you fans stop all the bickering here?? Its not going to help things. Please learn how to stay level-headed and composed. Show the reasoning skills instead of fighting back aggressively.

    I think Jeanette is talented, smart, beautiful and good actress. She’s a leading star material. Btw, its not rite to implicate Jeanette for her fans acts. Its being really unjust to Jeanette.

    PEACE

80. to Jeanette fans on 19 Nov 2009 at 7:44 pm #

    

    Jeanette is the best!
    Can wait to watch Together.
    She rocks luhs! Love her lots.. (^_^)

81. Carmen on 19 Nov 2009 at 7:59 pm #

    

    Haizzzz………Ro, u nvr give up. Nevermind, Justice’s right. I shouldn’t even bother abt u…………& one more thing, Justice, I wasn’t bickering…hahaha… just trying to get some peace…if Ro apologises, everything will be alright wouldn’t it?

82. Carmen on 19 Nov 2009 at 8:05 pm #

    

    Haizzzzz, u still insist u’re right, Ro. Well, then I hv nth to say. I didn’t come here to bicker afterall! But I hope u’ll think twice before making impolite remarks abt others nxt time!

83. hi people on 19 Nov 2009 at 9:42 pm #

    

    hi people … DYT has updated his blog. check it out.

84. LiYinZhuFC President on 19 Nov 2009 at 9:59 pm #

    

    Paul,ZhuXiuFeng atDaddyAtHome is the MOST OUTSTANDING,She is GREAT!!!!!!!I hope to her her MORE rather thanJinPo!!!!!!

    (Paul: So, now you found Zhu Xiu Feng to replace LiYinZhu?)

85. glade on 19 Nov 2009 at 10:02 pm #

    

    sigh,sad to say…u all really forgot about others…totally lost interest when i enter this comment place…i see nothing but more arguing and more jeanette…

    hopefully felicia get a roles !

86. glade on 19 Nov 2009 at 10:03 pm #

    

    oops i mean her roles*

87. LiYinZhuFC President on 19 Nov 2009 at 10:50 pm #

    

    LiYinZhuFC President (21:59:36) :

    Paul,ZhuXiuFeng atDaddyAtHome is the MOST OUTSTANDING,She is GREAT!!!!!!!I hope to see MORE rather thanJinPo[IrritatingJinYinJi]

    (Paul: So, now you found Zhu Xiu Feng to replace LiYinZhu?)
    ———————————————————
    I knew you would said that,I both also like!!!!!!LiYinZhu s stil NO ONE in my heart!!!!!!!!!!!!

88. to : To 呕萱 on 19 Nov 2009 at 10:54 pm #

    

    1) When did I agree with that 呕萱 said? Never once did I say that I agree, and never once did I ever say that Jeanette fans begged. NEVER. Read my replies properly before you start accusing me. I just wanted you guys to know that yes, Jeanette has been busy. But Joanne has been busy too.

    Anyway, not to insult anybody, but I don’t think anybody has the right to judge as to who is best fitted for the role.
    In any case, I am just here to clear up the air. Note that there are still reasonable Joanne fans around. But in general, please do away with the flaming of other artistes.

    2) Just because Joanne has time to update her blog doesn’t mean she’s very free. She just makes time to share with her fans on what she’s been busy with and all others. I’m not saying that the other artistes are not making the effort. Note : All that I’m saying, is not to drag any artiste down. I just want to clear the air.

    3) Cloud, there are people going “joanne pui” around here, but of course, they should not be stereotyped as “Jeanette’s fans”. And I don’t think you should drag Joanne into the picture. Don’t drag her into “teaching her fans how to behave”, because nobody has control over another person. And there are so many people and fans around. We don’t even know who is who, so we really can’t stop people from commenting.

    Overall, I think there are always reasonable and unreasonable fans around. But I think we shouldn’t start flaming other artistes even if others do. That said, PEACE. And I think the arguments should stop here.

89. war zone on 19 Nov 2009 at 11:09 pm #

    

    haha, Paul, your blog is a hilarious war zone.

    Fann Vs Zoe – still on???? Isn’t the result already out so long ago? to save zoe’s face, her fans should really stop branding her as #1 this & that. Do you all know being called #1 needs lots of substance to hold the position? Don’t be ignorant & blind like some local media & be a laughing stock in the eyes of foreign media & artistes. why when zoe already knew the result, her fans still can’t let go & cause more embarrassment for her by forcing people to dig out all her inefficiencies to rebut you all? but zoe fans need not fret as mediacorp will take care of her cos she’s the winner of the FIRST star search, even if her popularity drops to the level zero, even if her performances are not up to standard. mediacorp will be zoe’s benefactor for life, yah, so don’t worry, mediacorp will give her jobs.

    JA vs JP – it’s just the beginning, yah. the night is still young. you all can go on fighting until the result is out. for the time being, it seems like a draw, yah. JP won the BA but JA played the leads in 2 blockbusters in a row. JA fans claim JA is more popular & said JP has no guan zhong yuan. but really, how to prove this? then JP fans said (local) directors see more potential in JP, but really, so far is just empty talk, until the offers pour in, right? then JA fans said that JA beats JP hands down in endorsements. well, who knows?
    maybe yes, maybe no, cos we don’t know how much are they paid, as their celeb status is not so impactful that you can roughly gauge their pay check.
    who knows mediacorp ask for a higher fee for JP than Hype asked for JA, so those advertisers choose the lower fee artistes? that’s what thomas ong once told the media that mediacorp asked for high endorsement fee for him, so he lost out those endorsements. as you can see JA has to endorse the whole range of New Moon products, but how much does she get? do you think New Moon can afford to pay Fann & Stefanie to endorse the whole range of their products? so don’t judge things on the surface, yah.
    continue to fight, Ja & JP still got lots to prove who is more successful, yah.

    ann vs who???? zoe? no fight, yah. fann? lagi no fight, yah. pls never use a drama viewership rating to prove an artiste’s popularity, yah. that’s the stupidest method cos there are so many artistes in the drama, it could also be the story-line, etc. zoe fans used to use viewership rating to prove her popularity, see what happen in the end, people use the same argument to prove she’s no longer popular. this is a 2 edge-swords. ann is developing into a serious actress, she is already out of the popularity category. if you fans want to quote viewership rating to prove her popularity, people will also quote that she had lost out in the top 10 to prove she isn’t popular.
    and for goodness sake, pls don’t quote those past glories, it gone. live for the present. ann will be a sought-after veteran, whether she’s popular or not, as bi ren & ivy have left, she will have more opportunities now, so don’t worry, you all will see very much of her on tv.

    errh, the other 5ps not fighting???

90. DT on 20 Nov 2009 at 12:11 am #

    

    To Ro ,

    if u really wanna look at viewership figures then don’t use Ann lar… Zoe tay and fann wong’s shows also seldom get top! (the most top viewership dramas are from huang biren, followed by chen liping)

    Ann is improving greatly, everyone can see that and she’s proving her versatility! Other than Huang Biren, Ann’s the other actress I like alot!
    And who says she didn’t produce top viewership dramas?
    Love Conceirge was Top, Housewives’ also. My School Daze and the current Daddy at Home is definitely doing well for sure.
    Last year’s La Femme came in 3rd.
    The only “flop” seems to be Kinship (2007), but even that, the main storyline isn’t on Ann in that drama.

    btw replying to paul, if huang biren really come back, i’ll go CRAZY!!! LOL! i think it must be a role that she has never tried out b4.. then it’ll attract her to 复出…

91. mag on 20 Nov 2009 at 12:44 am #

    

    I really hope to see LNX in one of these telemovies as well.

92. ice-cream on 20 Nov 2009 at 1:30 am #

    

    For those who disgracefully deny the fact that Fann beats Zoe hands down:

    1. Awards (Fann > Zoe)
    Fann is the first and youngest BA in SA history;
    Zoe is #2, and #5-6 respectively.

    In terms of the no of times of BA nomination in SA history,
    Fann single-handedly owned 11 out of 14 possible times and outranks everyone as a result;
    Zoe’s 8-time nomination paled in comparison.

    Outside SA, believe me,
    even without bringing all the evidence out,
    Fann is the clear winner without a doubt.

    2. Movies (Fann a million times > Zoe)
    Fann’s first movie got her a nomination in HKFAA;
    While Zoe got zero nomination and her first movie was a complete failure.

    After that, Fann has acted in more than 10 movies;
    (not to mention, most of them are international productions, including Hollywood, HK, China, Taiwan etc)
    Zoe has zero movie offer ever since.
    It proves who has the marketability and who doesn’t. Its cruel, but everyone in the movie industry knows it, including Jack Neo. Thats why Fann got nonstop movie offers in a roll, while the other can only beg for it and can’t guarantee one.

    The rumor implies that Fann is #1 in terms of the pay per movie in SG,
    and guess what, Zoe cannot beat Fann, never has and never will.

    3. And so.
    Tired of pointing it out.
    If you Zoe Fans still claim otherwise,
    I will keep on working on it.

93. jia on 20 Nov 2009 at 8:01 am #

    

    hey paul, i saw the 10th countdown already.. r u going to upload it?

94. to fann fans on 20 Nov 2009 at 9:19 am #

    

    if u think fann is so super GREAT and y she needs to stay on in MCS?

    Without MCS do anyone know fann? dun be so ungrateful fann fans …..WAIT UP!

    Without MCS fann is nobody u know……

    Soon u ppl will say we ill treated your beloved Fann and didn’t declare for a special public holiday just becos there is a Fann the GREAT in Sg?

    You fann fans think the universe makes up of fann only? Don’t be ignorant lah…..

95. to fann fans on 20 Nov 2009 at 9:25 am #

    

    BTW….without Fann…..MCS still can stay on…..nobody is indispensable….
    Many talented and young artistes are yet to be explored……You fann fans think the universe makes up of fann only? Don’t be ignorant ……WAKE UP FROM YOUR DREAM WORLD!

96. ch8 supporter on 20 Nov 2009 at 10:30 am #

    

    What is the storyline for Zoe’s new tele-movie? WIll she be acting as a modern career woman? We hope to see her in more of such glamourous roles. Please don’t get her to act “Ah Soh” again. Thanks.

97. peace on 20 Nov 2009 at 10:49 am #

    

    Everyone puts Zoe Tay down just because she couldn’t carve a niche for herself overseas the way Fann Wong has done. Fann Wong started acting a good 6 years after Zoe Tay began. By that time Zoe Tay was already at the peak of her career. Fann Wong was just starting out. Between an artiste who just started out (and already has had such instant stellar results) and an artiste who has been in the industry for 6 years (and god knows how long she could last at that time), who do you think SBC/TCS/MCS will try to put more money into promoting? Obviously Fann Wong! Let’s not forget that she had contacts overseas as well. She was with a modelling agency in Taiwan remember? She already had exposure, albeit not from her acting at that time. It made sense for SBC/TCS/MCS . Zoe however, had none of this. SBC/TCS/MCS had no idea how big Zoe was gonna be in Singapore. True, she was a great actress, in the league of Chen Liping, Chen Xiuhuan, Zeng Huifen, Xiang Yun etc. But she wasn’t an overnight sensation till 1991 (when Pretty Faces aired). Fann Wong was an overnight sensation. The producers knew that to make it in the overseas maket, you’d have to be an instant hit, because of the intense competition from artistes all around the region. Guess who SBC/TCS/MCS would put their money into?

    We would never have known the results if SBC/TCS/MCS had begun to expand overseas in 1983, during Xiang Yun’s time. For all we know, Xiang Yun might have been a bigger star than Fann Wong. Or if they had decided to go regional in 1990. Chen Liping and Zoe Tay might have now been a household name all over the Chinese-speaking regions in Asia.

    I guess my point is that we have to put things into perspective. I am quite sick of people in this forum putting down other artistes for reasons such as not being able to break into the international market. No doubt Fann Wong is talented. But to claim she is a better actress than Zoe is a rather ridiculous thing to do. And before I get slammed, to claim that Zoe is a better actress than Fann is equally ludricous. Zoe has proven herself to be viable to the local TV industry – she has set a lot of benchmarks for local actresses to match themselves to. Her unparallelled popularity in the early 1990s proved that homegrown artistes could stand up to the tests of overseas artistes in our own territory – remember that Zoe often came up top in polls of idols they did back in those days, amongst the ranks of Andy Lau, Jacky Cheung, Faye Wong etc. Fann has proven to be an inspiration to all local artistes – not only we can hold our heads up high alongside these regional superstars in our own territory, we can share the same stage as them in overseas markets as well. If Zoe fans want to claim that Zoe is #1, I would think that the title is well deserved. If Fann fans want to claim that Fann is #1, that would also be uncontested. No one in these two decades have come even close to what the two of them have done. Their legacy remains and will probably remain status quo, given how the artistes these days seem to be unable to inch near enough to their standards.

98. To Peace on 20 Nov 2009 at 12:39 pm #

    

    sorry, you got some facts totally wrong. It’s not mediacorp INVEST in Fann. They didn’t put in millions of $ to INVEST in her. They really INVEST in 715.

    They signed on Fann cos they saw her popularity in 1 of the Taiwanese variety shows when she was a model. They want to use her to break into Taiwan market. FYI, they had already tried zoe in this market but failed. Do you know, mediacorp launched zoe in Taiwan as SINGAPORE drama queen? But Taiwan didn’t see any big deal in her. That’s why mediacorp saw Fann as their SAVIOUR to break into the region. It’s zoe that mediacorp wanted to launched in the region, cos they already spent so much time to make her the drama queen. But Zoe failed miserably.

    FYI, mediacorp didn’t promote Fann in China too. Fann has an equal footing as ALL the other mediacorp artistes. She is like ALL mediacorp artistes, just act in their dramas & then people just notice her more than the other mediacorp artistes. If you have a 1995/1996 TV weekly (iweekly predecessor), the reporter said China TV viewers favourite Mediacorp artistes are Fann & Lee Nan Xing. Mind you, it was 1996 & Fann just started acting with only a few dramas, but she already left such deep impression with the viewers.

    FYI, SBC/TCS/Mediacorp already expanded into overseas markets in the early 1980s. Their dramas were very popular in China from the early 1980s to early 1996. Tell me, who made the most dramas during this period? It’s Xiang Yun, Zeng Hui Fen, Chen Xiu Huan, Chen Li Ping & Zoe Tay. But all of them weren’t popular EXCEPT Lee Nan Xing & the newbie Fann (who then only had a few dramas aired there).

    And pls don’t even use popularity voting to prove anything. for all you know, this is the most unreliable proof. zoe is groomed by SBC/TCS/mediacorp but she was hugely promoted by some LOCAL media as well as her friends from the fashion industry-the photographers & stylists. That’s why outside S’pore, she can’t stand on her 2 feets, cos her local saviours can’t help her overseas.

    FYI, Fann was spotted by HK director & Taiwan agent during her modelling days, it’s not mediacorp which launch her career overseas.

    And pls don’t think Fann’s fans are hard-up for the #1 title. You can go & read Fann’s official forum, none of her fans ever call her #1. They just call her Fann.

99. to : to Fann fans on 20 Nov 2009 at 12:53 pm #

    

    Your points have been rebutted & explained so many times here & yet you still want to repeat it. You have nothing to say, is it?

    Why did Fann stays on with mediacorp? cos she needs a local agent to help her negotiate local endorsement deals’, to represent her in the local market & help her deal with those complex overseas contracts. She does local dramas, cos as a mediacorp artiste, she has a quota to meet. As a S’porean, she wants to be popular in her own country & wants her presence be felt here too.

    Of cos, without Fann, mcs still can survive. Who says it can’t. Nobody is indispensable in any organizations. But who can mediacorp send to represent them overseas???? That’s the difference between Fann & other mediacorp artistes.

    FYI, without mediacorp, who will know Fann? Haha, pls read my post above. Fann was known overseas long before she became mediacorp artiste. Now, it is Fann who is more well-known than mediacorp in the region.

    NEVER, we Fann’s fans NEVER think EVERYBODY loves her. It’s always you zoe fans think EVERYBODY loves zoe & zoe is #1. You zoe fans are the ones who think the universe is made up of you zoe fans. Not us, pls don’t accuse us.

100. peace peace on 20 Nov 2009 at 1:04 pm #

     

     i totally agree with peace. There are so many internal and external forces that influences how one’s development is. And time is pretty much an important element to be taken into consideration. (It just brings forth how our baby boomers population’s educational level is not as high as compared to the younger generation. Is it because they are not as capable or is it due to external factors?)

     Zoe had attained the ah jie status due to her achievements for popularity awards in star awards, newspaper, magazine votings etc, which was one of the only few ways to prove one’s popularity when it was still made available to her (institutional capacity being limiting nowadays). If mediacorp is really protecting zoe, then why do they remove the most popular artise in malaysia (when zoe was winning it so many times) (and yes, they also removed the most popular artise in taiwan when fann was winning it as well) and have that what regulation that after winning 10 times for top 10 most popular artise, she cannot contest for it anymore? Thus making her lose the platform to prove her popularity in a paid-to-vote channel and now making her being under public scrutiny? Well, you can always say that it is because ‘they scared this zoe will not be voted inside top 10 what’. But how true is that going to be?

     I just wanna say that everything is up to one’s subjective interpretation. A person can have 5 dramas being in top 5, but 1 being low. One can choose to zoom into the 5 dramas being in top 5 or just the 1 being low. But the thing is, what is the big picture then? One is selectivity ignoring the 1 being low, while the other is selectively ignoring the 5 dramas being in top 5. So arent we all in equal pars? We choose to selectively ignore what we dont like or selectively accept what we like.

     When it comes to ideological and cultural hegemony, like what peace had said,

     ‘No one in these two decades have come even close to what the two of them have done [zoe and fann]. Their legacy remains and will probably remain status quo, given how the artistes these days seem to be unable to inch near enough to their standards’

     And that is the reason why the ideological and cultural hegemony of them being ah jie-s is still very much intact. And actually, mediacorp had already reconceptualized the term of ah-jie isnt it? In the past, it was very much zoe as ah yi and fann as ah er. But it had since changed to the two ah jie-s. Both have their strengths, their niche, both have their fan base, and seriously arguing over this [who is better, who is top] does not make anyone of them more popular.

     Let us just look at it. When you achieve a doctorate degree in your studies at the age of 28, you are being called DR instead of MR or MS due to your educational achievements. At the age of 50 when both your crystallized and fluid intelligence dipped, are you then going to be stripped away of your DR status? The answer is no. Because, you are being honored for your ability to reach that educational achievement when you were at your peak.

     And that is the very same case for zoe. With ideological and cultural hegemony and that the ah jie status is an ascribed one with those two elements, she will continue to be ‘ah yi’ or ‘ah jie’ due to this. You can argue that she is no longer there, but if your social forces are not huge enough to create that tipping point, then this ascribed status will be there to acknowledge, recognize and honor her achievements then. And even when your social forces are huge enough, her once static achievements cannot become dynamic due to your argument that she is no longer there.

     And in fact, another reason why this should stop is, the aging process is a universal process for all of us and it is critically so for actors and actresses. In a few years time, we may never know what kind of critical comments fann (and zoe) will get when she (both) started to ‘plunge’ in her (their) career, assuming that it might plunge. Then, netigens is just going to rebut you back that fann is joining zoe in the league that both of them dont deserve the status. Don’t you see it coming?

     What is the bottom-line then? Use the strengths perspective in supporting your idol. Support your idol does not equate to the need to demean the rest.

     And to end, yes, this is just yet another subjective post from my frame of reference.

101. true to Peace on 20 Nov 2009 at 1:08 pm #

     

     Well-said

102. well said too on 20 Nov 2009 at 2:05 pm #

     

     well said- peace. in addition i think zoe fans are more older than fann fans in demographic terms. fann fans are more in their late teens/ and 20s now. and zoe fans are more in their 30s now. Another reason i guess why MCS nv promote zoe but fann is because of age. 3 years old between them might seems nothing but in late 90s when MCS want to promote artisit overseas, they promote fann 1st then ann. NOT zoe. i guess this is because zoe is approaching 30 then in 1998. Also, zoe tay is heavily publicised being married (ROM though) to her pilot husband then already. so if she really go overseas then? will other regions ppl accept her at the age of near to 30 and she is a wife already? i doubt so. therefore its a wise choice for mcs to heavily promote fann then.

     however i dont think zoe is not popular at all. she might not be the no 1 most popular artisit now, but i think she can still easily to be one of the top. OF COURSE, the 7ps fans are more on younger age and they are more willing to vote on all sorts of compeitions.

     overseas committment. zoe is really no fight with fann. i think in the next 10 years, no single actress can achieve what fann has now. But one thing i am quite not happy with MCS is that, fann is so committed to her work and is professional but i heard rumours that MCS dont really want her to settle down t(o get marry) when she is younger.. is that true? I rem fann in one of the I weekly in 2007 (where she acted with JP and Lin Min Lun that time) said that, sometimes she really want to get married and sms her manage in btw, then her manager is like sooo panic. so it leads me a question. is the company treat her as a jem or as a money tree?

103. adding to peace peace on 20 Nov 2009 at 2:18 pm #

     

     to add on to the part of subjective interpretation. Contrasting comments to bring matters into perspective

     1. voting polls

     When zoe fans say that paid-to-vote channels had proved her popularity, retailation comes in

     ’so what if zoe is 1st, the poll is not in any way representative’

     When zoe fans say that online-free-to-vote-channels is not representative, this is what we got

     ‘aiyo, that zoe isnt inside top 8 fav actress for the countdown polling, she is no longer popular’

     2. drama viewership

     When zoe fans say that she had obtained good drama viewership in the past and in by my side, one million treasures recently as well

     ’so what if zoe’s drama has good viewership, it doesn’t reflect anything’

     But when the ultimatum becomes a flop,

     ‘ultimatum viewership is the last, zoe where got popular?’

     All these could have been avoided should we just be supportive of our idols and not shoot down others. retaliation begets retaliation.

104. antiCHW on 20 Nov 2009 at 3:23 pm #

     

     Stop saying Zoe is #1 and Fann is #2, then the war will come to an end.
     Nobody is going to be #1 but not prepared for being slammed if you don’t have what it takes.
     Fann outperforms Zoe in every single meaningful way, and yet she doesn’t want the #1 title at all.
     If you Zoe fans wanna save your own idol’s face, please don’t give her anything she doesn’t deserve. Call her your idol, your goddess by all means but not #1 in SG or everybody’s heart.

     Mind you, the truth is ugly.

105. To Peace Peace on 20 Nov 2009 at 3:25 pm #

     

     Fann & Zoe achievements can be compared cos they are from the same generation/age group & manage by the same company.

     Also there are many times when Fann won zoe in those popularity votings, but still SOME LOCAL media will crown zoe as #1. In the 1st place, anybody with some brain will tell you popularity votings are unreliable due to the many loopholes & even manipulations by the organizer to suit their agendas.

     Why did mediacorp remove Most Popular Artiste in Malaysia? Let me tell you, coz they realise only JB residents voted. Can JB represent the whole M’sia???
     And who said Zoe always won this award??? For what I know, this award was around for 3 yrs-1st yr zoe won, 2nd yr fann won & 3rd yr zoe won much to her own surprise. After that, the award was scrapped. The Taiwan popularity award lasted only 2 yrs-1st yr Fann won, 2nd yr jacelyn won much to the shock of many people. So do you still believe this type of voting?
     all these overseas popularity awards were scrapped coz they don’t add value to mediacorp business, as they close down their cable TV in Taiwan & they know such votings aren’t proper indicators of popularity.

     Zoe can certainly retain her ah jie status, as a respect for her seniority or
     her past ”glory”. But to be called #1, she needs to show why is she #1. It’s not her age that she can’t be #1. It’s her lack of REAL achievements to prove she is #1. Popularity polls & star awards top 10 are not REAL achievements. Any artiste can pay to win these votings. Zoe has the additional help-the LOCAL media to ‘lie’to the public about her popularity.

     All artistes will age eventually, their positions at those popularity pollings will also go down. So eventually, it’s their REAL achievements that allow them to ”crystalise” their status, not those popularity votings. Until today, Fann is still regarded as the actress that has the most achievements. If one day, someone else achieves more than her, then naturally, that person will take over her title. It has nothing to do with her ageing or the other artiste being younger than her. It’s concrete REAL achievements that decide a person’s status & not those media biaseness & unreliable votings.

     Zoe didn’t lose her title due to her age or due to younger artistes taking on more blockbusters than her. Zoe can’t be called #1, cos there are no REAL evidences to prove that. ice-cream has already pointed out above.

106. to: to peace peace on 20 Nov 2009 at 4:24 pm #

     

     1. Fann & Zoe achievements can be compared cos they are from the same generation/age group & manage by the same company.

     Uniqueness of an individual based on internal and external factors across time and space. – intra-company differences is an example. Basis of comparison can never be valid or reliable due to such differing circumstances.

     2. And who said Zoe always won this award???

     when decoding process fails.

     when zoe was winning it so many times (encode)
     VS
     And who said Zoe always won this award??? (decode)

     3. REAL achievements

     what really is real? conceptualization of real differs. what was REAL in 1980s and what was real in 1990s and what is real in 2000s is different. In its conceptualization and operationalization, there is no single universal notion and standard of and for what is REAL.

     4. But to be called #1, she needs to show why is she #1

     CULTURAL AND IDEOLOGICAL HEGEMONY.

     5. Fann is still regarded as the actress that has the most achievements.

     One’s status is not solely based on achievements. Bordieu’s concept of a person’s status includes

     a. Economic Capital
     b. Social Capital
     c. Symbolic Capital
     d. Cultural Capital

     6. nothing to do with her aging

     Research and literature review has shown that aging tends to limit one’s opportunities. Disengagement & Labeling theory included.

     7. ice-cream has already pointed out above

     And we all know who that person is.

     8. And all those claims, assumptions and subjective connotations and interpretations

     Shall not continue. On the basis of self-determination, you have your stand, i have mine. And i shall not rebut anymore because everything is just out for rebuttal.

     Cheers to both Zoe and Fann.

107. to well said too on 20 Nov 2009 at 4:44 pm #

     

     You got it wrong on some facts. Pls refer to my reply to Peace above.

     Let me tell you all these :

     In 1992 when zoe was only 24, single, mediacorp (mcs) wanted to launch her into the region. She was given the opportunity to act with a Jap actor in a movie (I don’t know is this movie released here). Mcs even sent her to Japan to promote the movie. But she flopped.

     In 1993 mcs sent her to Taiwan to launch their satellite TV, she was billed as SINGAPORE drama queen, but she didn’t leave a deep impression. She was only 25 & single.

     In the 80s to early 90s, SBC/TCS dramas were hugely popular in China & zoe headlined a number of blockbusters, but yet she wasn’t popular. She was then in her early 20s & single.

     It’s cos of all these zoe’s failures that mcs gave up on her & USE fann.

     So don’t use age to explain her failure. Fann was also 25 when she went to
     Taiwan as an artiste. There are others who are younger than Fann, like Ann, Ivy, Jacelyn etc, íf the younger the better, then why was Fann chosen?

     I want to reiterate. Mediacorp didn’t promote Fann. They only USE Fann to promote their dramas. Read my above posts about the history of Fann.

     And how to know what Fann’s fans age group? She could have fans from all ages too.

108. Anonymous on 20 Nov 2009 at 5:02 pm #

     

     very well said antiCHW & ice-cream.

     to that zoe fan who is trying to use bombastic terminologies & analogies, pls save it for your own profession, it doesn’t help zoe much. pls go & read my above posts on what happened to zoe & why is she only good for local market told in the simplest & true manner. No need to quote this & that theory. No theory is needed, just facts are needed.

     Haha, one’s status is not just based on their achievements but blah blah. ok, then tell me, which category does zoe falls under? capital? cultural? etc?
     pls lah, don’t be a smart-aleck by quoting those things to prove your zoe is #1 or deserves to be called #1.

     boohoo

109. antiCHW on 20 Nov 2009 at 5:06 pm #

     

     To be clear, if Zoe fans can all agree that she is not #1, then this should not continue.
     Otherwise, mind you again, the truth regarding Zoe is terribly ugly or the fugliest among all.

110. to : adding to peace and peace on 20 Nov 2009 at 5:11 pm #

     

     zoe fans were & still are the ones who LOVE to use these popularity voting & TV viewership ratings to prove that zoe is #1 popular. So naturally, when her dramas didn’t do well in the viewership rating & when she lost out in these votings, people will say she’s not #1. Fair, correct.

111. To the Fugliest on 20 Nov 2009 at 6:03 pm #

     

     1. “Uniqueness of an individual based on internal and external factors across time and space. – intra-company differences is an example. Basis of comparison can never be valid or reliable due to such differing circumstances.”

     Then how’s Zoe #1 where the basis of comparison can never be valid?

     2.”what really is real? conceptualization of real differs. what was REAL in 1980s and what was real in 1990s and what is real in 2000s is different. In its conceptualization and operationalization, there is no single universal notion and standard of and for what is REAL.”

     Fann has more than 10 movies and more which will come in future, while Zoe had 1 in 2001 and zero ever since. Its something so real that no one can deny;
     Fann’s name was recognized all over Asia, got on variety shows in the US/Europe etc, and overseas media simply ignored Zoe while Fann is the only SG artiste mentioned in the article regarding ATV awards. This is also something so real that you would be so pissed with.
     You want more? I bet no, because you can’t possibly stand it, because like antiCHW said, the truth regarding Zoe is so ugly.

     3.”CULTURAL AND IDEOLOGICAL HEGEMONY.”

     Tell me about it. What has Zoe done that Fann didn’t? Culturally speaking, didn’t Jeanette do a better job in promoting Nyonya culture? Is she no1 just because of this?

     4. “One’s status is not solely based on achievements. Bordieu’s concept of a person’s status includes

     a. Economic Capital
     b. Social Capital
     c. Symbolic Capital
     d. Cultural Capital ”

     a. Fann > Zoe
     b. Fann > Zoe
     c. Fann > Zoe
     d. Fann> Zoe
     So tell me, Zoe which has much fewer achievements than Fann has anything to be claimed as #1? Nothing. What Zoe fans does best? Ignore all Fann’s achievements.

     5.“Research and literature review has shown that aging tends to limit one’s opportunities. Disengagement & Labeling theory included.”

     Seriously? Fann is 38 yo right now, guess what, got 3 movie offers recently.
     Did Zoe get any movie offer when she was 38? A big fat ZERO.
     Jeanette is 8 years younger than Fann, guess what, ZERO for her too.
     Age might be one of the factors, but the key thing is nothing but talent. Star quality comes after.

     6.”Shall not continue. On the basis of self-determination, you have your stand, i have mine. And i shall not rebut anymore because everything is just out for rebuttal.”

     But when you guys say something like Zoe is #1 in every SGans’ heart without any valid reason, as one of them, I have the responsibilty to correct this false claim. Stop being naive, you Zoe fans.

     Yes, no one comes close to Fann, but Jeanette already surpassed Zoe. So please don’t ever think that Zoe is still in the same league with Fann. She is just a lousy local actress, second to almost 10/20 people.

112. peace on 20 Nov 2009 at 6:37 pm #

     

     Wow, I didn’t know that my comment could have sparked off so much, especially from Fann Wong fans.

     Firstly, I would like to say that I am not a Zoe fan. In fact, I prefer Fann, but I don’t claim to be her fan as well. Of course, people who disagree with me will insist that I am a Zoe fan who choose to believe that she is #1 and she is the Queen of the universe etc etc. I can only say, I am not.

     Secondly, I understand why Fann fans are mad. You see her as a regional (and even international) star who should rightly dethrone Zoe Tay as the #1 actress in Singapore, and you get mad when nothing of that sort has been done. In fact she has always played second fiddle to Zoe until recent years when the media has (almost) officially given up that #2 title to address both of them as Ah Jies of Caldecolt now. Sometimes I get perplexed at that as well. Surely Fann’s achievements overseas should have placed her at a much higher position than Zoe Tay. To mention both of them in the same breath seems to an insult.

     Nonetheless, I would like to reiterate that my point of making the comment above was not to say who is better than the other or who deserves to be #1. That is absolutely not my intention. I wanted to merely say that we need to pay attention to the context these issues which everyone here seems to be bickering over. Some of the Fann fans say that they are not fighting for #1 position for Fann – they just refer her to Fann. Oh well, then why are you so upset when the Zoe fans come here and say that Zoe Tay are #1? Why do you try ways and means to put her down? Oh well, I should stop here because I foresee Fann fans will be telling me that I am a Zoe fan trying to establish her as #1. And I have to say again, I am not.

     I’d have to apologize to Fann fans if they felt I was biased in my comment. I had not meant it that way. I’d also have to apologize to Zoe fans too, because I am not saying that Zoe is #1. I’d like to think of them both as Ah Jies who have earned their positions and respect in the industry through their hard work, talent and modesty.

     Zoe and Fann are like two different kinds of dishes. Zoe’s like Rojak, forever a local delicacy and favourite, but not really that well-received beyond our shores (and Malaysia). Fann is like Garden Salad – a favourite food that people all around the world knows and likes. Both are excellent dishes however, and not one deserves to be called the lesser of the other.

113. peter on 20 Nov 2009 at 7:20 pm #

     

     of course when the viewership is low, there are lot of factors, the cast not attractive, the plot is lousy, the production is sub standard, or there are better dramas (competitors), or miscast of actors (cast the wrong actors..)

     anyway, channel 8 drama does not have much pressure compared to a movie, which a flop can cause bankrutcy..

114. shut up on 20 Nov 2009 at 10:02 pm #

     

     e ugliest fans r actualli e fannatics. look at e way they bomb zoe and bring down others like jeanette, ann, jacelyn and ivy. yeah she is in a league of her own. if she din stay in mediacorp last time u all tink she can become a star meh? even madonna will say that her position in the music world todae is bcos of luck also loh. talent cant bring u dat far. all the actresses mentioned are able to make it to leading actresses cos they r talents. but they just suay suay dun haf e luck like fann only. ivy won 3 times best actress, and she is prettier than fann. ann is sexier than fann, and just as talented. zoe is older than fann but she is just as good if not better. jacelyn is smarter than fann in so many ways. jeanette is pretty, young and superior to many of the younger ones. they are just suay, din get e luck to become big overseas only. if ur fann so big, so good tell her to stay overseas lo.

     but fann is smart. she knows she needs mediacorp. mediacorp is impt cos they provide her with a stable base. if she got no shows overseas, mediacorp will give her shows. mediacorp already give her a lot of their overseas dramas. if not how she become famous. too bad her fans duno all tis, they all thought she really very good, go overseas alone also can make it big. wake up la.

     so many fans squabbling here: JA fans, JP fans, zoe fans, fann fans, ann fans – i tink fann fans e worst, e most jialact. boooo!

     (Paul: Why keep going on with this Zoe Vs Fann thingy – it’s already a new era today and move on lah…)

115. Max on 20 Nov 2009 at 10:09 pm #

     

     Agree with peace totally man.
     PEACE I say! PEACE!

     Don’t think Zoe fans are as crazy as you all make them out to be, annonymous Fann fans. You’re just making a mountain out of a molehill. That happened when Zoe was crowned the favourite actress / actor amongst The Ultimatum cast some time back.

     Pls stop. Fann Wong is also Queen just like Zoe Tay. Happy?

116. Funny on 20 Nov 2009 at 10:15 pm #

     

     Speaking of food,

     I think Zoe is more like a durian, smelly in others’ eyes but the king of all for locals;

     Yuck!

117. Goddess of Fann on 20 Nov 2009 at 11:02 pm #

     

     God has made Fann the best and biggest export from Singapore. Even Stephanie Sun nor Sun Ho can’t compare to her, let alone a Zoe Tay who is just another minion!

118. chris on 20 Nov 2009 at 11:46 pm #

     

     Both are ah jie in my heart i think together with chen li ping. for me zoe is more like a local TV star.. a local drama star i think she has more good dramas ( i mean she done all sorts of dramas etc roles etc..when she was younger) and her acting skills are not lousy that why people still call her ah jie. as for ah fann, she is more like a MCS artisit that is for regional purpose, sometimes she got movies, albums and that made her look very overseas artist. and fann achievement overseas cannot even compare with any of the actress in MCS… she shld be in the league like sunyan zi labelled under the same cat. as for zoe her catergory are more like in singapore.. so both diff things. i do agree with some of the fann fans say. MCS really invest in 715 rather than fann wong. but so funny is tha when i watch hk news and taiwan news recently, regarding 715 movie.. no one really interview him and all his scenes in those entertainment clips are being cut off.. he already acted quite a few movies liao right, how come still little exposure compared to fann wong when she has a few movies.. she gt herself high exposure rates in china and taiwan.

119. antiCHW on 21 Nov 2009 at 12:04 am #

     

     1. “look at e way they bomb zoe and bring down others like jeanette, ann, jacelyn and ivy. yeah she is in a league of her own.”

     Didn’t you Zoe fans do that by disgracefully insisting “Zoe is #1 in SG” while all the names you mentioned are already ahead of her? Zoe is solely a loser.

     2. ” if she din stay in mediacorp last time u all tink she can become a star meh? even madonna will say that her position in the music world todae is bcos of luck also loh. talent cant bring u dat far.”

     Speaking of luck, don’t you think an actress who can’t act as well as HBR etc, is uglier than most and has a toad voice which can’t sing still claimed as #1 in SG is really lucky? And unfortunately, she’s no one else but your beloved Zoe Tay.

     3.”ivy won 3 times best actress, and she is prettier than fann.”

     Beauty is in the eye of beholder. So maybe in your opinion, Ivy is prettier than Fann, but IMO, the otherwise would be more appropriate. Either way, Zoe is the ugliest among this three, and I bet you can’t deny it yourself too.

     4.”ann is sexier than fann, and just as talented.”

     In what way? Singing? No fight. Movies? No fight. Acting skills? No fight. Again, Zoe is the clear loser if this three compete against each other in a singing competition.

     5.”zoe is older than fann but she is just as good if not better.”

     Proof, please. OMG, it must be too hard for you, because such things do not exist. How to find? What to do?

     6.”jacelyn is smarter than fann in so many ways.”

     Which way? Again, no proof no talk.

     7.”jeanette is pretty, young and superior to many of the younger ones. they are just suay, din get e luck to become big overseas only. if ur fann so big, so good tell her to stay overseas lo.”

     I love Jeanette, too. So I guess I couldn’t agree more with you on this one. JA needs more luck to go overseas, while Fann should really consider not wasting her time here in SG on some cheap lousy productions.

     8. Everyone you mentioned is indeed better than Zoe. So what you are trying to say is to point out there are so many more talented people than Zoe. So, why the hell Zoe can be claimed as #1?

     The truth is so ugly. I felt sorry for you Zoe fans.

120. Louis on 21 Nov 2009 at 12:26 am #

     

     Isn’t the result so clear?

     Fann got a real movie offer recently, while Zoe can only celebrate taking a TELEMOVIE role.

     Why the fight? Seriously?

     Pathetic, Zoe fans.

121. guest on 21 Nov 2009 at 9:35 am #

     

     funny,

     not all singaporeans like durian either. i HATE durian (aka joe tay)….ppl like huang bi ren tons better than her for goodness sake ‘ too bad mediacock lose talented ppl like HBR

122. To all zoe fans on 21 Nov 2009 at 11:27 am #

     

     @Peace
     When we said we Fann’s fans NEVER call Fann #1, but that doesn’t mean a lesser being like zoe can be called #1. zoe fans always call her #1 this & that, when the truth is she is NOT. That’s why we have to correct them & ask them to prove, but they failed to prove. Pls don’t mistook us for hankering after the #1 title like what zoe fans love to do. We just want the TRUTH surrounding the #1 title that zoe fans claim for so many years shamelessly.

     Another of zoe fans delusions (yes they have many delusions concerning zoe) is that zoe is loved by EVERYBODY here & EVERYBODY hates Fann here.
     aren’t they mad? wake up I say. what zoe is rojak a local delicacy, really? rojak is not a delicacy, it’s a hawker’s food. hehe.

     Another delusions-zoe is good for local, while fann represents regional.
     How good is zoe local-wise? Local movies? Local dramas? Local endorsements? Local what? Local-wise, did fann lose out to her? Regional-wise, fann has beaten zoe hands down. Local-wise, it’s also the same. And this happened so many years ago, not just recently. It’s SOME local media who refused to acknowledge it. That’s why you zoe fans still have such delusions until today.

     @shut-up
     And zoe fans like to question why Fann stays on with a mediacorp. Answers have been given so many times over, but they pretend not to see it & keep questioning. Are zoe fans idiots or they just got nothing to put Fann down?

     Don’t quote other artistes, 1 to 1 fight. If you zoe fans think zoe is #1,
     prove to us. No proofs, then shut-up.

     Fann’s fans didn’t put any artistes down, we just tell you all the facts & things that happened & how TCS/mcs use Fann, not promote or groom her.
     The one they groomed & promote heavily is 715, NOT Fann. Those overseas collaborations that Fann acted in aren’t promotions. They USED Fann to sell these collaborations.

     Go & read those postings above to know WHO is Fann before she became TCS/mediacorp artiste & see for yourself, who is helping who.

     In fact, it’s mediacorp who failed to make Fann go further than she already was. They can’t handle Fann’s international career. And overseas agents are too complex, Fann actually have no choice but to let mediacorp handles her overseas career. Go & read those news, there are Taiwanese agents who want to manage Fann, but she chose mediacorp. Eveybody knows the only virtue of mediacorp is they are very safe & uncomplex compared with those shady overseas agents.

     zoe fans most favourite weapon is to make fans of other artistes join hand to slam Fann. Why? Cos zoe has no achievements for them to use to argue. They are just like their idol zoe, who is well-known for forming cliques among her colleagues, so that they will speak up for her. Like idol, like fans.

     Look here, all this while Fann’s fans only use FACTS, with no intention to put down any artistes. Fann’s fans only tell the TRUTHS. We don’t gang up with anybody cos Fann’s achievements are there for all to see. Do we need to put down any artistes to put Fann up? NO NEED!!!

     Contrary, it’s actually zoe fans who put other artistes down. They are one who always say zoe is #1, unbeatable, the only queen, the ah jie etc. Aren’t they already put other artistes down?

     Did Fann’s fans call Fann, queen, #1, ah jie, etc? NO!!!

     Talking about LUCK. Everybody knows LUCK plays an important role in any success stories. Nobody can deny this. Fann is also the 1st one to admit it (go & read her interviews). But the same for all success stories, LUCK is NOT the ONLY factor. Don’t believe, go & ask all the successful people.

     In fact, zoe got the MOST LUCK, isn’t she? If she were born overseas, do you think she even have a chance to be an actress without the immeasurable help of SOME S’pore media, S’pore friends from the fashion industry? That’s why outside of S’pore, zoe just lose her footing, cos all these S’pore FRIENDS/MEDIA have no clout overseas.

     The real LUCKY one is zoe. No need to have any REAL achievements, but yet SOME s’pore media readily crown her #1 for 20 yrs. No need to work so hard, recognition is given to her. Lucky or not?

     One more ugly thing about zoe fans is to tell people Fann’s fans are the worst. Pls tell us, is it wrong of us to tell the TRUTH, the FACTS? If you zoe fans are HUMBLE, do we need to come out & tell the TRUTH & the FACTS.

     @Paul
     Paul, you are very right, why still talk about Fann vs zoe. But the reason is not cos it’s a new era, the reason is it’s so obvious that zoe has lost to Fann, no need to fight.

     However, we are just telling them all the TRUTH, but they refuse to see the TRUTH. Fann’s fans are not fighting for anything but THE TRUTH, not title, not past glory.

123. 12345 on 21 Nov 2009 at 11:43 am #

     

     Peace 2.

     Each era has its own Queens, such as Xiang Yun in early 80s, CLP in late 80s etc.

     Only Daise Gan, CHW, Lucy etc are Queens forever.

124. true on 21 Nov 2009 at 1:13 pm #

     

     Wa? Still going on? Thanks for the praise you guys gave Jeanette! Appreciated.

125. oh my goodness on 21 Nov 2009 at 2:07 pm #

     

     LOL. why is there a war going on? cmon. every actress have their own uniqueness and talents. stop comparing.

     its just a telemovie role. why must quarrel? so lame loh..especially the “antiCHW” comment. lol!!

126. Passerby on 21 Nov 2009 at 2:12 pm #

     

     Goddess of Fann (23:02:45) :

     God has made Fann the best and biggest export from Singapore. Even Stephanie Sun nor Sun Ho can’t compare to her, let alone a Zoe Tay who is just another minion!

     You can’t even spell Stefanie Sun name correctly and you still want to say Stefanie Sun can’t compare to Fann. Oh please, The whole world know Stefanie Sun sing so much better than Fann. Don’t compare between them. One a singer and another actress .

     Eh now Zoe vs Fann war, why drag Stefanie Sun down sia. That time JP VS JA also drag Stefanie Sun down. Stefanie Sun offend you guys is it?

127. Louis on 21 Nov 2009 at 8:39 pm #

     

     There was a time I told my taiwanese friend that #1 Ah Jie in SG is actually not Fann Wong, and he was really shocked. He was then even more shocked when I told him the one who outranks Fann Wong is no one but Zoe Tay.

     First, he doesn’t know who the hell Zoe is. Secondly, he straightfully comments on Zoe’s looks that she is godd*amn ugly when I google her photos for him. And when I told her she’s got only 1 movie and zero ever since she failed compared to Fann which has much more to come, he didn’t believe me in the end.

     Bullshit he said. And his theory was

     “沒那么大的頭就別戴那么大的帽, 這個每個人人都知道的道理，媒體更不用說；在臺灣周杰倫如果賣輸（唱片銷量）別人，他也做不了第一天王。如果成績差那么多，媒體還要讓那么爛的人頂在強者之上，那么媒體的可信度可說是低得離譜。新加坡有可能為了一個毫無建樹的女人影響自身媒體的可信度嗎？那么報紙可以不用買了，因為沒人會看”

     I was like “that is indeed what I thought too”. But this is also what Zoe’s good at. Zoe has the biggest support from SG media. I told him that if you want to be a superstar outside SG, you have to be either extremely talented or beautiful, however, if you want to be #1, the only thing you can do is to lick the reporters’ legs, or you will never be #1, no matter how successful you are.

     沒有那么大的頭就不該戴那么大的帽。
     To Zoe and her fans,
     沒有阿一的實力請不要霸著阿一的位子。
     As simple as that.

128. Peace to "to all zoe fans" on 21 Nov 2009 at 8:59 pm #

     

     See? You just proved my point. You think that everyone who doesn’t hate on Zoe Tay is a Zoe fan. I find it quite amusing because I think most of Zoe’s fans are probably the older folks who might not even know about this blog. Perhaps only a few of them? So please don’t lump me into the “zoe fans” category.

     I just feel indignant that you should try to make it sound as if Zoe is worthless. The #1 title was given to her years ago by the local media. If you want to contest that go and make noise in the media. And I have never said Zoe was #1, if I am not wrong. I just feel that there is no need to argue who is better than who because both are just as good in my opinion. I don’t think you are just upset over those who claim Zoe as #1. Your hatred runs deeper than that. You are obsessed with Zoe, it seems, obsessed with trying to destroy her reputation so that Fann can be the one and only #1 in Singapore. The media will never “dethrone” Zoe Tay as the Queen because that will mean discrediting themselves. Please try to understand that. I think the zoe fans, if they are really as crazy as what you say, are only leveraging on the media’s billing of Zoe as #1.

     Like you (and as I have said in an earlier post), I prefer Fann to Zoe. We are definitely on the same page on that. Fann has far exceeded Zoe in terms of her success regionally. Fann has maintained her looks and figures extremely well over the decades too. But I do think that Zoe deserves what she has been achieved too. Why should you want to discount everything that she has achieved. What she has achieved might be nothing compared to how the TV industry is right now. But if we were to contextualize, as was the intention of my first post), Zoe’s achievements must have been extraordinary. That’s all I want to say, honestly.

     And to your comment on rojak – it is considered a local delicacy. Hawker food are fantastic ok?! Maybe another analogy could be that both Fann and Zoe are local foods – one has managed to make it overseas like our famous Chilli Crab which has made it big in quite a few territories. The other might be our Bak Kut Teh which is big in Singapore and some parts of Malaysia but otherwise comparatively unknown in other parts of the world. You get what I mean?

129. 纳闷 on 21 Nov 2009 at 9:26 pm #

     

     每次见到这些不喜欢惠玉的人来这里数落她的不是，我都感觉到很辛酸。

     以一个局外人的角度 （我对新加坡演艺界不太熟），但我总觉得这些人都很坏心肠，也非常小心眼， 因为他们一直都无法接受惠玉是许多新加坡人心中的电视阿姐。

     起初刚到新加坡时，有位友人告诉我说郑惠玉早已成为新加坡最具代表性的艺人之一了，走不走得出国外已不是关键了，重要的是，她的地位已经巩固了。她造就了新加坡电视史上最经典的人物之一，也演出了许多经典剧集如双天之尊系列，同时她也成为第一位在新加坡代言著名沐浴露的艺人，也是首位出写真集的女电视艺人，而她在户外活动时的场面十分轰动，有时都把国外巨星们给比下去呢。

     虽然现在的她声势已经大不如前，但是她所成就的真的是无可厚非的，为什么至今还会有人都耿耿于怀呢？我对她没什么感觉或兴趣，因为毕竟也不常观看新加坡剧集，但对那些把她扁得一文不值的人，我真的只想告诉他们：“该醒悟的人不时你们口中的惠玉迷而该是你们罢！”

130. to louis on 21 Nov 2009 at 10:16 pm #

     

     you belong to the kind that paul was talking about: foreigners’ fart smell nicer than locals’.

     a local talent always have to make it big outside of singapore before the talent is considered big right? now i tell u, hell no. u let a foreigner decide who is the biggest artiste around. SHAME ON U..

     and i think fann wong fans have no idea how much people around used to hate her. dun stir up those feelings of hate again. they are just like the old fann wong – stuck up and arrogant. thank goodness fann wong is no longer like that. she has blossomed into a much more mature lady.

131. antiCHW on 21 Nov 2009 at 10:23 pm #

     

     “起初刚到新加坡时，有位友人告诉我说郑惠玉早已成为新加坡最具代表性的艺人之一了”

     One of them doesn’t mean #1, ok? Get it? And who’s ur friend btw?

     “走不走得出国外已不是关键了，重要的是，她的地位已经巩固了。”

     Just because she couldn’t make it doesn’t mean it’s not important. As an actress, it’s always important to go overseas and achieve something like 金馬獎/金像獎 etc. And speaking of her status, this is exactly the thing we are questioning about. Does someone like her deserves what she’s wearing now? Don’t be stupid to think that one can be so lousy but still remains on top.

     “她造就了新加坡电视史上最经典的人物之一”

     So what? Does that mean CLP can be #1 too? Jeanette the Nyonya can be #1 too? Don’t be stupid!

     “也演出了许多经典剧集如双天之尊系列”

     Again, many other actresses have this kind of achievement too. Does that mean every single one of them can be #1?

     “同时她也成为第一位在新加坡代言著名沐浴露的艺人，也是首位出写真集的女电视艺人”

     I wanna puke. Really. Not because of Zoe but her fan’s funny ignorance. Fann is the first one getting BA in SA history; She is also the first one getting a nomination in 香港金像獎; She even makes it to Hollywood as one of the very first few Asians which Zoe Tay will never ever has a chance, not even in a cameo role. So what? FYI, Fann’s endorsements are a tons more than Zoe’s, and her pay is the highest. I have already warned you – the truth regarding Zoe is so ugly. You sure you want more?

     “而她在户外活动时的场面十分轰动，有时都把国外巨星们给比下去呢。”

     Who are they? Whenever I attend a event like this, Fann’s fans always outnumbered Zoe’s. How can you be sure Zoe beats Fann in terms of this ridiculous reason? You are truly shameless.

     You Zoe’s fans are truly comedians making laugh my ass off.

132. aiyoyo on 21 Nov 2009 at 10:24 pm #

     

     why still quarrelling about zoe tay and fann wong? now is 2009, going to be 2010 already. but i also want to be part of it.

     since zoe fans seem to be losing, let me say something: why whenever fann loses to zoe, they always say they dun care abt those polls? those polls only zoe fans will care? fann go for bigger and more important polls? if u dun care, then why make so much noise ler? if u dun care abt telemovie, say only zoe fans will be happy she in telemovie while fann dun bother cos she aim for hk movie, tw movie then why still come here and bitch about zoe? scold paul for being misleading in his blog title? oh yes, u all dun care but actually u all still do. u still care about these local polls, telemovies. if fann gets it u say she good, if she dun get and zoe gets, u say fann dun care for it. u are always right la hor. no wonder people call fann fans: FANNATICS. cannot be trusted.

133. support for zoe tay on 21 Nov 2009 at 10:30 pm #

     

     HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

     My mother likes Zoe. I told her about what is going on here. She told me to help her post a comment:

     “xin jia po ren xi huan zheng hui yu, ta men ba ta dang ah jie yi jing shi tie yi ban de shi shi le. zhe shi wu ke fo ren de shi hi. qing wen fang mi xing xing ba. fan wen fang yong yuan dou da bu dao zheng hui yu suo da dao de. ru guo ta zhe me li hai jiu qing ta ling mo gao chu ba. bie liu zai xin jia po le. zheng hui yu shi xin jia po de ICON”

     My mother is FUNNY!!!!!! Paul, I’m dying from laughter!!!!

134. antiCHW on 21 Nov 2009 at 10:42 pm #

     

     Sorry peace, I know you were not talking to me, but there’s a few I’d like to say.

     “The media will never “dethrone” Zoe Tay as the Queen because that will mean discrediting themselves.”

     They already did that by saying Zoe Tay is #1. They’ve discredited themselves for more than 10 years. It’s time to correct it back. (in fact, long ago)

     “But I do think that Zoe deserves what she has been achieved too. Why should you want to discount everything that she has achieved. What she has achieved might be nothing compared to how the TV industry is right now. But if we were to contextualize, as was the intention of my first post), Zoe’s achievements must have been extraordinary. ”

     But what has she achieved anyway? Bobo thing? C’mon, do you have a calendar yourself. It’s 2009 already, and you are still talking about something way so old. Just one question, what has she done to qualify herself the #1 position. Must be something greater than Hollywood, 香港金像獎提名, 西好萊塢電影節影后 and many more, because the person who makes us this proud can only be ranked as #2.

     “And to your comment on rojak – it is considered a local delicacy. Hawker food are fantastic ok?! Maybe another analogy could be that both Fann and Zoe are local foods – one has managed to make it overseas like our famous Chilli Crab which has made it big in quite a few territories. The other might be our Bak Kut Teh which is big in Singapore and some parts of Malaysia but otherwise comparatively unknown in other parts of the world. You get what I mean?”

     I don’t think it’s appropriate to do this. Because whenever I think of Zoe Tay, I lose my appetite. Please stop this silly food thingy.

     And not to mention, anyone who prefers Fann to Zoe will never say something like “they are just as good” like what you did.

135. To "to louis" on 21 Nov 2009 at 11:38 pm #

     

     “you belong to the kind that paul was talking about: foreigners’ fart smell nicer than locals’.”

     I think you are one of a kind by saying Zoe’s fart smells the nicest, even though she is ugly, can’t act as well as others and don’t have any offer from the movie industry, either international or local, not even from Jack Neo.

     “a local talent always have to make it big outside of singapore before the talent is considered big right? now i tell u, hell no. u let a foreigner decide who is the biggest artiste around. SHAME ON U.”

     I just offered an honest opinion from people who is in a country out of SG media’s control. I never say something like what you thought I was saying. However, when someone is so talented in SG, why doesn’t someone outside the country agree with this? Or simply because you Zoe’s fans are a bunch of 井底之蛙?

     “and i think fann wong fans have no idea how much people around used to hate her. dun stir up those feelings of hate again. they are just like the old fann wong – stuck up and arrogant.”

     I guess you guys still have no idea there are so many more people hating Zoe Tay. Reasons? We repeat over and over again. She doesn’t deserve what she’s wearing right now. I bet SG media have responsibility for your ignorance, because they’ve covered Zoe’s ass for so many years. And one of the reasons why there are less and less people hating Fann Wong is that there are more and more people who stop loving Zoe Tay. Period.

     “thank goodness fann wong is no longer like that. she has blossomed into a much more mature lady.”

     And Zoe Tay goes to the completely different way.

136. jade on 21 Nov 2009 at 11:49 pm #

     

     Indeed, your mother is a funny lady. Sickly funny in fact.

     Despite your pathetic Chinese “pinyin”, what your mother said proves what we Fann’s fans have said.

     1. How does Zoe’s fans represent 新加坡人 as a whole?

     2. What has Zoe doen that Fann didn’t?

     Saying Fann will never ever reach Zoe’s status is just bullshit.

     Fann is the first BA, and Zoe got hers 1 year after even though she was much more experienced back then; Fann is the first MCS movie actress, and Zoe finally had hers in 2001 but failed terribly; Fann breaks into Hollywood, while Zoe can’t even make it to HK/TW; And so many more.

     Tell your mum. Shut her mouth when she knows nothing. Google both Fann and Zoe, see what you found. Zoe is hardly a star compared to Fann.

137. peace to antiCHW on 22 Nov 2009 at 12:06 am #

     

     Hi antiCHW, thanks for your comments..

     Haha, I think I am probably not one of those with very extreme preferences. I like Zoe and Fann, but I personally prefer Fann over Zoe. But preferring Fann doesn’t mean I have to put Zoe down. And I believe that preferring someone doesn’t mean having to insist that my preferred choice is better. It is for this reason why this thread has been going on and on. Because everyone else believes that his/her preference is better.

     And anyway in all honesty, I like both actresses. I am probably one of the rare ones in Singapore. And… I would like to say Zoe was crowned Ah Jie back in those days when those achievements were considered extraordinary. Yes, in 2009 now, all those things you mentioned are possible. If Joanne Peh gets a mega endorsement, it’s no longer a HUGE deal. If Jeanette releases a pictorial, it’s no longer a HUGE deal too. But back in the early 1990s, when the TV industry was really beginning to take off, Zoe’s achievements were a BIG deal. The first nationwide Star Search winner – back in 1988, that was a really really BIG deal. They even managed to get the incoming PM to grace the event! That was the period of time when the TV industry was beginning to stabilize. In 1991 when her Pretty Faces became a nationwide viewership success, and her role Bobo became the talk of the town – that was a BIG deal again. Previously only Zeng Huifen, Chen Liping and Xiang Yun had those honours. And remember her LUX commercial? It was a BIG deal back in those days because local artistes were hardly ever considered for endorsements. Her LUX commercial was a hit (I heard that it was because the commercial was very steamy too – by the standards in those days, not our standards now). After her, SIFONE (I still remember that) came in to get Zhu Le Ling to endorse their shampoo. That was the beginning of the “local artistes can endorse products too”. Finally she followed on with a string of hits after Pretty Faces, soaring to a new height with The Unbeatables, and then Yi Hao Xiong Zai, The Golden Pillow, Ma Jie Qing Yuan etc. She became the first female artiste to launch a coffee table pictorial as well in 1995. Those were the heydays of Zoe Tay, before the launch of Fann Wong.

     Fann Wong became a HUGE threat to Zoe Tay when she entered the entertainment business in 1995. Believe it or not, that was an incredible achievement in itself – a newbie compared to an actress who has already been around for 6-7 years! And Fann’s achievements since then would make any other artistes’ pale in comparison. I do not think I should waste my time listing them down here. She has attained milestone after milestone. The anti-zoe-cum-fann-fans have listed them down time and again. Fann basically took off from where Zoe left and soared to even much greater heights.

     But… what if one day, Joanne Peh really succeeds in overtaking Fann’s achievements overseas? What if Jeanette Aw gets a Golden Horse Award? Joanne Peh gets nominated for a Golden Globe? Felicia wins a Cannes Film Festival award? Do these girls then become #1 because they have achieved more than Fann? I would argue the same way I have argued for Zoe here. NO!! Fann will still be superior to these girls because given the situation back in the later half of the 1990s, it was still incredibly amazing to launch a career overseas. They could be #1 of course, provided we do not forget Fann still remains #1 as well. You get the gist of what I mean?

     I can see you resent the fact that Zoe has been hyped as #1 Ah Jie very very much. I am ambivalent about it. To me, both has earned their keep in the TV industry. They can both be Queens, they can both be Ah Jies, they can both be #1 for all I care. But I doubt I would say that Zoe needs to be called #2 now. Or maybe even #10. She can keep her title.

     And… finally, I think it is ironic that we are fighting over this when these artistes themselves probably don’t even bother! I mean, Zoe doesn’t even care whether you call her Ah Jie anot. Fann also doesn’t bother whether she is called #1 anot (She’s too busy to bother anyway). Both are just in the acting industry for the sake and love of acting. PEACE

138. antiaiyoyo on 22 Nov 2009 at 12:10 am #

     

     why still quarrelling about zoe tay and fann wong? now is 2009, going to be 2010 already. but i also want to be part of it.

     since fann fans seem to be winning, let me say something: why whenever zoe loses to fann (the top 8 year-end poll etc), they always say they dun care abt those polls? those polls only fann fans will care? zoe go for bigger and more important polls? if u dun care, then why make so much noise ler? if u dun care abt REAL MOVIES, say only fann fans will be happy she in SO MANY MOVIES (Including Hollywood etc) while zoe dun bother cos she aim for only LOCAL DRAMAS, then why still come here and bitch about fann? scold fann fans for revealing the facts? oh yes, u all dun care but actually u all still do. u still care about these polls and REAL MOVIES. if zoe gets it u say she good, if she dun get and fann gets, u say zoe dun care for it. u are always right la hor. no wonder people call zoe fans: ZEROs. cannot MAKE IT.

139. whywhy on 22 Nov 2009 at 12:30 am #

     

     whywhy!?!?!? so shick of thish shtupid zoe vs fann laoiz! now people wan ta bling up the debate when zoe ish not doing wellsh…. te oldz ppz saysh kill the animal when it ish shick and down! why dunch ya jush kill zoe tay? den dunch knead to fightsh here laoiz!!!! shtupid idiotsh. kill zoe for ya fann fann losh..

140. antiCHW on 22 Nov 2009 at 12:50 am #

     

     1.”But… what if one day, Joanne Peh really succeeds in overtaking Fann’s achievements overseas? What if Jeanette Aw gets a Golden Horse Award? Joanne Peh gets nominated for a Golden Globe? Felicia wins a Cannes Film Festival award? Do these girls then become #1 because they have achieved more than Fann?”

     If you have it, you have it. If you don’t , then you don’t. I believe if all the things mentioned do happen, or any of them does achieve anything greater than Fann’s, then I won’t insist that they are still worse than her, even though she’s my idol. “能者居之”says it all.

     2.”I can see you resent the fact that Zoe has been hyped as #1 Ah Jie very very much. I am ambivalent about it. To me, both has earned their keep in the TV industry. They can both be Queens, they can both be Ah Jies, they can both be #1 for all I care. But I doubt I would say that Zoe needs to be called #2 now. Or maybe even #10. She can keep her title.”

     Scroll up and see. Whenever someone says something regarding Fann and Zoe, Zoe’s fans will always say Zoe is #1 no matter what. They can’t stand Fann shares the title with their beloved, when in reality, Fann outranks Zoe in any meaningful way.
     #1 is so digustingly annoying when referring to someone who doesn’t deserve. My advice – stop blindly crowning Zoe as #1 and the war ends.

141. eh on 22 Nov 2009 at 12:54 am #

     

     ur comment about zoe fans being ZERO is not even funny la! come up with something newer.

     this bickering is never going to stop. Paul. U shld do smthg abt it! or r u hafing fun reading them? it gets tiring after a while though. & i am not impressed by some of the words exchanged, especially those by the self-proclaimed fann fans. the fann fans i know are much nicer!

     zoe fans, stop struggling. zoe has never been fann’s match in overseas market.

142. Candice on 22 Nov 2009 at 9:50 am #

     

     To the Fannatics, there are only Zoe fans and Fann fans in this world. Whoever speaks up for Zoe is considered a Zoe fan. However, there are folks who just watch tele and appreciate the actresses. These folks, like me, get pretty pissed off when they see how these Fann fans tear Zoe apart, accusing her of manipulating the local media, accusing her of not deserving her crown etc. It makes the entire issue so ugly – local media has already lost its credibility when they established that Zoe is #1? I still have faith in the local media – don’t say you’re trying to correct the media, my friend, because you should have done that when Zoe was called Queen a long time and not now. You should have done that when Zoe was still at the peak of her career, or when she was still getting many endorsements. Not now, when she is slowly easing into middle-age and moving on to the next stage of her career. Zoe is like a thorn in their flesh – they cannot get over it, honestly. Get it clear also, I am neither a fan of both. I find it however absurd that things have come to this stage. GRRRRR Paul, why can’t you do anything about this!!!!

143. anti-antiaiyoyo on 22 Nov 2009 at 10:37 am #

     

     Stop it la! Facts. That’s all you care about: BIG FAT FACTS!

     U Fann Wong fans are the ones who jump at every single thing:
     “By all means, telemovies are no movies. Please don’t say something like “taking movie roles”, while its clearly not. Fann Wong is the one taking movie roles, while Zoe Tay, as usual, can only get job offers from Mediacorp and Mediacorp only. Not to mention, your unsurprisingly bias towards Zoe Tay, Paul.”

     U are the petty ones! Paul used the same headlines in an earlier post for Joanne Peh and Dai Yang Tian. I din c u jumping at Paul for that? U’re the ones who started this whole thread of Zoe vs Fann debate!

     & of course U can state all the facts about how much more success Fann has attained overseas. All u care about is that. & U say that Zoe fans keep claiming that she is #1, she is unbeatable and so on. Many other fans also do that. Just that they dun have a #1 title to claim because the media din give their idols that. Any fans would think the world of their idols, wont they?

     & finally to jade: pls dont tell others’ mother to shut their mouths. IT IS SO FUCKING RUDE. the mother muz have an opinion of her own, it is her opinion u have no FUCKING right to tell her to shut up. somehow or rather, i suspect a lot of zoe fans are just housewives who dont surf the internet but still support her by watching her shows, buying her endorsements – they support her in ways and means that u fann fans cant. which is why there aren’t troops of them coming here to jump at ur throats and SLIT at them.

144. my goodness! on 22 Nov 2009 at 11:28 am #

     

     Fann Wong has the support of MCS back then. The fans just want their idol (GODDESS?!) to look good so they claim MCS didn’t support her. Yah. Bite the hand that feeds you dears.

145. boobooboo on 22 Nov 2009 at 12:07 pm #

     

     Seems like Fann Wong supporters are the sore losers.
     they are like her botox face.
     they are just as artificial as her botox face.

     Beware!
     Fann will lose her position very soon when Joanne and Felicia rise up! Beware!
     Joanne has a Caucasian boyfriend to help her appeal to Western markets.
     Beware!
     Felicia will make it big in Taiwan and China.

     Zoe Tay is going down the path that Xiang Yun took. The ageing well path. Gracious retirement. Xiang Yun, Zoe Tay will forever be enshrined in Singaporeans’ hearts. Not like Fann Wong. YUCKS

     Fann on the other hand, keeps botoxing her face to make herself look good.

146. anonymus on 22 Nov 2009 at 7:02 pm #

     

     i also want to say something about zheng huiyu. Last time 2007 star awards when huang biren win zoe in the favourite actress poll, then her fans always scold mediacorp say they never promote the poll thats why bi ren can win. as if, the poll is on 1 month plus and also in all magazine, website, forums etc. just admit fann wong, huang biren etc all win zoe already la! at least fann wong got movies, and huang biren got pride and audience rapport

147. anonymus on 22 Nov 2009 at 7:09 pm #

     

     why zoe fans always like to shift blame to other people? the reporter posed a question, it’s up to the artistes to choose to answer or not? And it’s up to the artiste to answer which way she wants. zoe is an old bird, it’s not as if the reporter is pointing a gun at her head.

     when zoe got wrinkles, her fans blamed it on her 2 sons.
     (btw, doctors already confirmed that child-birth won’t cause wrinkles,
     so pls don’t blame zoe’s 2 innocent sons)

     when zoe got slammed, they blamed it on Fann’s fans. They really believe
     zoe is so well-loved that she has no detractors at every nook & corner.

     when zoe got slammed for anyhow endorse products, her fans blamed it
     on her manager. As if, zoe got no brain to think. They just can’t accept that
     zoe is money-faced.

     when zoe got auntie roles, her fans blamed it on mediacorp.

     when zoe got no dramas to act in, her fans blamed it on the 7ps.

     when zoe can’t get recognition outside S’pore, her fans blamed it on
     overseas viewers don’t know how to appreciate her exotic beauty.

     when zoe embarassed herself at SA, her fans blamed it on the victims
     whom she embarassed.

     when zoe didn’t win a popularity poll, her fans blamed it on mediacorp didn’t publicise such polls & blamed other artistes’ fans cheated by
     multiple voting.

     when zoe remarked that Felicia is ordinary looking, her fans said she is
     telling the truth.

     when everybody said that zoe got wrinkles, her fans said that’s not wrinkles.

     I salute all zoe fans for always trying hard to turn black to white & white to black.

148. Kim on 22 Nov 2009 at 9:04 pm #

     

     MediaCorp invested in yuwu but there is something not very right in the marketing position of yuwu in most of his movies to my perception. First he acted with the wrong lead actress where the compatibility is low and not very appealing to the public. Doing a movie is not doing a drama where you can do alot of trials and errors, matching this actress with another actor as long as they get the show out. Doing a movie is like a tailor doing up a cheongsam, got to have the right cut for every part of the cheongsam for it to look good.

     To say that yuwu is not meeting up the popularity rung in China is not completely true. I think yuwu is quite popular in China especially Guangzhou. I
     It is only fair to give Jeanette and yuwu one movie/telemovie to act in Singapore and we would be able to see the difference as compared to the many other movies he is involved.
     Excuse me, I am not begging MDC to do a movie/telemovie just for them or inciting any preference for them either. I am just thinking of a hypothetical test to see if what I perceived is true.
     Whether it is a clinical test or not, I know there would be a chance for them to be acting together in a movie/telemovie, it is a question of time.
     Time is the best test for everything.

     The Little Nyonya has proven that yuwu’s acting skill is better than many others in MDC. I would not guarantee him a win in the Asian TV Award but nobody knows the outcome until Dec 3. I am eagerly waiting for that day to come and whatever the outcome, 715 has been nominated for TLN Best Actor.
     Yuwu, jiayou.

149. Ah Jie Fan on 22 Nov 2009 at 9:11 pm #

     

     I, as a Zoe Tay Fan, have never pulled Fann Wong down.

     I just want to say, just because some Fann fans dislike Zoe does not mean everyone dislikes Zoe. Vice-Versa.

     Both cater to different fans. Both have worked hard to attain their status. Both are Ah Jie’s. Who is #1 is not important, most importantly is how we, as fans show our support for our idols and not to pull others down. We must be gracious.

     That’s all I got to say.

     The only 2 artiste that can have fans arguing for more than a decade; shouldn’t we respect the 2 Ah Jie’s for their power to generate such debates? We know best.

150. antiaiyoyo on 22 Nov 2009 at 9:49 pm #

     

     Stop it la! LIES. That’s all you care about: BIG FAT LIES!

     U ZOE TAY fans are the ones who jump at every single thing:
     “wah lau eh, that antiCHW, u can think the world of ur Fann Wong, but Zoe Tay has always been regarded as #1 in Singapore no matter how well Fann does overseas ok.”

     U are the petty ones! Paul already said both Fann and Zoe are equal as Ah Jies in one of the previous posts. I din c u jumping at Paul for that? U’re the ones who started this whole thread of Zoe vs Fann debate!

     & of course U can state all the LIES about how SG media bullshit about Zoe’s success. All u care about is that. & U say that Fann fans keep claiming that she is so successful in overseas, she has the most movies and so on. Many other fans also do that. Just that they dun have a those achievements to claim because the movie industry and overseas market din give their idols that. Any fans would think the world of their idols, wont they?

     & finally to aiyoyo: pls dont say the F word. IT IS SO F*CKING RUDE. I muz have an opinion of my own, it is my opinion u have no F*CKING right to tell me the F word.

     OK, stop right here. You are just a moron who can speak of any good for Zoe, but lots of excuses and rather, scold us for revealing the facts. WE SAY NOTHING ABOUT ZOE, and YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SCOLD US. We have every right to say the truth.

     “somehow or rather, i suspect a lot of zoe fans are just housewives who dont surf the internet but still support her by watching her shows, buying her endorsements – they support her in ways and means that U FANN FANS CAN’T. which is why there aren’t troops of them coming here to jump at ur throats and SLIT at them.”

     Can’t us watch Fann’s shows? Can’t us buy Fann’s endorsements? What do you mean by WE FANN FANS CAN’T? Unfortunately, we can and we have every right to do so. TBH, it’s you Zoe’s fans who can’t do what we Fann’s fans do. For instance, buying a real MOVIE TICKET to support Fann, and flying to Taipei etc to attend any big awards ceremony red carpet to support her. And Zoe will never in a million years have that chance.

151. To Eh on 22 Nov 2009 at 9:58 pm #

     

     “ur comment about zoe fans being ZERO is not even funny la! come up with something newer.”

     I don’t think FANNATICS is any newer than ZEROS. You should work on it, too.

     “it gets tiring after a while though. & i am not impressed by some of the words exchanged, especially those by the self-proclaimed fann fans. the fann fans i know are much nicer!”

     I met so many non-Fann fans, too. But no one is any more annoying than you.

     “zoe fans, stop struggling. zoe has never been fann’s match in overseas market.”

     Indeed. NEVER.

152. antiaiyoyo on 22 Nov 2009 at 10:02 pm #

     

     Correction:

     “OK, stop right here. You are just a moron who can speak of any good for Zoe, but lots of excuses and rather, scold us for revealing the facts. WE SAY NOTHING ABOUT ZOE, and YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SCOLD US. We have every right to say the truth.”

     OK, stop right here. You are just a moron who can’t speak of any good for Zoe, but lots of excuses and rather, scold us for revealing the facts. WE SAY NOTHING WRONG ABOUT ZOE, and YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SCOLD US. We have every right to say the truth.

153. antiCHW on 22 Nov 2009 at 10:17 pm #

     

     1.“To the Fannatics, there are only Zoe fans and Fann fans in this world. Whoever speaks up for Zoe is considered a Zoe fan.”

     Tell those ZEROs this too. There are people who are out of this two camps.

     2.“I still have faith in the local media – don’t say you’re trying to correct the media, my friend, because you should have done that when Zoe was called Queen a long time and not now. ”

     So tell me. What is called 青出于藍? And if one can be lousier and lousier but still remains on top, do you think it’s fair? We Fann’s fans’ve surely already fought for this long ago, just that SG media didn’t correct their own fault in the first place. Don’t blame us on NOT HAVING DONE THAT. And every now and then, Zoe does not deserve anything close to #1.

     3.”You should have done that when Zoe was still at the peak of her career, or when she was still getting many endorsements. Not now, when she is slowly easing into middle-age and moving on to the next stage of her career. Zoe is like a thorn in their flesh – they cannot get over it, honestly.”

     See? This is something we called absurd. Why the hell should we dethrone someone when she well-deserves? (Even though Zoe never does) If your theory is true, then tell me why Xiangyun is not #1 but your Zoe Tay.

     4.”Get it clear also, I am neither a fan of both. ”

     Oh right. then shut the F*ck up.

154. Boo to BooBooBoo on 22 Nov 2009 at 10:27 pm #

     

     “Seems like Fann Wong supporters are the sore losers.
     they are like her botox face.
     they are just as artificial as her botox face.”

     This again. Whenever Zoe’s fans can say nothing great about Zoe, they try their best to insult us. What a good strategy. But your Zoe’s excellence still remains unproven.

     “Beware!
     Fann will lose her position very soon when Joanne and Felicia rise up! Beware!
     Joanne has a Caucasian boyfriend to help her appeal to Western markets.
     Beware!
     Felicia will make it big in Taiwan and China.”

     Thanks again for bringing more people out to tell us that there are more people better than Zoe Tay other than CLP, HBR, Ivy, Ann, Jacelyn and Jeanette that we mentioned earlier. Yes, they have the pontential, and this is also something which Zoe does not have. OMG, so sad. What to do?

     “Zoe Tay is going down the path that Xiang Yun took. The ageing well path. Gracious retirement. Xiang Yun, Zoe Tay will forever be enshrined in Singaporeans’ hearts.”

     One more there is. See, other Zoe’s fans. Even though someone like Xiangyun is so much older and doesn’t have overseas marketability, she still does better than Zoe. This Zoe’s fan even indirectly admit that Zoe is #2 compared to Xiangyun. Way to go, Zoe the Xiangyun’s successor.

     “Fann on the other hand, keeps botoxing her face to make herself look good.”

     This is what we called something unproven. But the wrinkled face of Zoe’s is a truth, a fact or a disgrace if that made a big production flop.

155. Zoe Tay fan on 22 Nov 2009 at 10:28 pm #

     

     I am a Zoe Tay fan. Firstly I don’t think it is fair that so many people come and say that Zoe fans do this and that when it is so not true. I have a group of friends who love Zoe Tay as well. But we never do all those things that antiCHW has listed. If a person does it, it doesn’t mean that we ALL do it.

     My friends and I have always thought that Zoe is #1 in our hearts. But we do not deny that Fann Wong’s star power crosses boundaries. We are alright with Fann Wong being #1 and Zoe Tay #2 in fact. That is because as long as Zoe Tay is #1 in our hearts, that is all that matters. We did not cry foul because Biren won the award. In fact, I have not seen nor heard people cry foul. Biren deserves the award very much. Please stop accusing of Zoe Tay fans for making all those comments. It might very well be some people who have nothing better to do. I also think there are some people who are neither fans of both Ah Jies, but they just want to stir trouble. They might not like Fann and so they provoke her fans by saying all sorts of things like that. But I agree with what peace has been saying. In fact I like people like peace because we all have our own favourites and we all think the world of our idols. But we don’t want to pull others down. Do you think it is very gracious of you to say that you are a Fann fan and then come and disgrace another well respected actress? I do not think so.

     Once again, don’t push all the blame to Zoe Tay fans.

156. Ah Jie Fan too on 22 Nov 2009 at 10:33 pm #

     

     “Both cater to different fans. Both have worked hard to attain their status. Both are Ah Jie’s. Who is #1 is not important, most importantly is how we, as fans show our support for our idols and not to pull others down. We must be gracious.”

     First, I can’t see Zoe is working hard. She does not have as much work to do. And her acting skill is becoming worse.

     #1 is important when Zoe Tay has what it takes; and it’s less important when so many others surpass her. YOU WISH!

     Everyone knows how much Zoe Tay loves this #1 title. Since Fann got the most movie offers, most achievements, highest pay etc, without this #1 title, Zoe has nothing. Don’t expect us to believe your bullshit.

     I don’t think we are pulling anyone down if we are just stating the facts.

157. carrot_cake on 23 Nov 2009 at 4:50 am #

     

     1. First, I can’t see Zoe is working hard. She does not have as much work to do. And her acting skill is becoming worse.

     How u noe Zoe is not working hard, does not have as much work to do, just because she has less publicity?! Heh, when Zoe has gotten lots of publicity, some people complained that she was an attention seeker, shouted that they wanted Zoe to retire from MCS, didnt want to watch her on tv. Now, bcos she has less productions, the wish has almost came true, yet some people are not satisfied and still complained. Get a stand before stating ur facts.

     2. Everyone knows how much Zoe Tay loves this #1 title. Since Fann got the most movie offers, most achievements, highest pay etc, without this #1 title, Zoe has nothing. Don’t expect us to believe your bullshit.
     I don’t think we are pulling anyone down if we are just stating the facts.

     As what some Fann’s fans who stated, if some Zoe’s fans can be less deluded and not claimed Zoe as the NO.1, all EVERYONE loves her and hates Fann, the war will end. Yeaps, quite true BUT, before you think you are not pulling anyone down if u are just stating the facts, then why dont you stop using “Everyone knows how much Zoe Tay loves this #1 title.” On what FACTS or what BULLSHIT, did you get this conclusion, huh?
     My conclusion is before telling people dun do this and dun do that, please examine yourself first. If not, then might as not say or write anything!

     Btw, since u noe that without the NO.1 title, Zoe has nothing, den it’s not appropriate to say that some Zoe’s fans used this to defend her. Anw, without NO.1 title, Zoe still can continue in this industry. WHY? Bcos she’s still working! Simple as that, no need facts or bullshit.

     Fann is better than Zoe, true! BUT SO WHAT?! This doesnt mean Zoe is inferior. Same logic as labeling Zoe as NO.1 by some of her fans. Does it mean that NO.2 Fann is inferior than Zoe? *roll eyes*

158. lame on 23 Nov 2009 at 9:15 am #

     

     the person who seems to be stirring trouble here is antiCHW. go back and read all the comments, nobody said anything abt zoe tay being #1 first. it just happened that this antiCHW scolded paul for misleading blog titles:
     “By all means, telemovies are no movies. Please don’t say something like “taking movie roles”, while its clearly not.

     Fann Wong is the one taking movie roles, while Zoe Tay, as usual, can only get job offers from Mediacorp and Mediacorp only.

     Not to mention, your unsurprisingly bias towards Zoe Tay, Paul.”

     notice tt zoe fans only said things like before antiCHW’s comments were published:
     “Finally we get to see our beloved Zoe on tv again, it’s been a long time since the Ultimatum aired. Cant wait for her new telemovie!”
     “YEAH!! ZOE finally got show again..
     Is this all Paul? Will she be involved in any drama?!”

     then someone decided to reply to antiCHW’s obviously antagonistic comments:
     “wah lau eh, that antiCHW, u can think the world of ur Fann Wong, but Zoe Tay has always been regarded as #1 in Singapore no matter how well Fann does overseas ok. stop tryin to put down ur idol’s rival ok.

     and i dun think Paul is biased twds Zoe. in a previous post Paul also said that DYT & Joanne were acting in MOVIE roles also! why didn’t u make noise abt that too? U ARE OBVIOUSLY BIASED AGAINST Zoe Tay!

     it is people like u who make others hate Fann Wong loh.”

     then the war started. so wat now? blame that stupid zoe fan for saying zoe has always been regarded as #1? first of all, is it even a zoe fan? secondly, it is true that zoe has always been regarded as #1 wat. whether u like it or not. yah. u can say she is ugly, she is a lousy actress, she is worse than many of the other actresses like huang biran, ivy, annkok, ja, clp, xiang yun all that. ok loh. u can say anything to contest. but it wun change. the media always referred to her as #1. there wont be a degrading of zoe even if fann wong becomes an Oscar winner. she will always be regarded as a ah jie. and thirdly, this zoe fan din even say anything bad abt fann. u jus wan to create trouble, antiCHW. u cause the war!

159. nothing to do on 23 Nov 2009 at 11:13 am #

     

     some people have nothing better to do, just want to come here and pose as fann wong supporters and kick up a huge fuss here over zoe tay. as far as i am concerned we know who is the clear winner in terms of achievements and overseas success. zoe tay is known overseas also anyway, but only as a tv actress in singapore. fann wong is on the other hand, known as a movie star and singaporean tv actress who is in a lot of china and taiwan dramas as well.

     if zoe fans wan to claim #1 status for her let them be. why get so worked up? she can only be #1 in singapore. that’s all. fann wong might not be #1 in singapore, but she’s #10 in china (where zoe is like not even in top 100), so why bother..?

160. to antiCHW on 23 Nov 2009 at 11:21 am #

     

     U SHOULD JUST SHUT UP. FANN WONG IS SO OVER IN SINGAPORE. NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT HER. JEANETTE AW FELICIA CHIN AND JOANNE PEH ARE THE ONES WHO RULE NOW. SHE IS JUST LUCKY SHE MANAGED TO BREAK INTO THE OVERSEAS MARKET. I DUN CARE ABOUT ZOE TAY, WHO THE HELL IS SHE? SHE IS IN ANOTHER WORLD LE, THE RETIRED QUEEN WORLD WITH XIANGYUN. FANN WONG SHOULD GO THERE AND JOIN THEM. SHUT THE SHIT UP. U MAKE THIS POST SO IRRITATINGLY BORING TALKING ABOUT HOW GOOD UR FANN WONG IS.

161. judge on 23 Nov 2009 at 12:04 pm #

     

     I am neither Fann’s nor Zoe’s fan. I just want to view my opinion that Zoe Tay is no longer #1 now. It is an undisputable truth. The media is wrong to proclaim that Fann Wong is 2 jie unless they are comparing their age. However, both have respectable acting skills.

162. to fann fans on 23 Nov 2009 at 12:38 pm #

     

     Better ask for a special public holiday for Fann since she so SUPER! haha..
     U all are really 非常小心眼…….becos of who called no.1 ah jie, who got the telemovie…..

     now u guys will see how HOT is zoe vs fann as compared with the present 7P argument having it previously………..this will be on going ……..until both the 2 ah jie become grandma their fans still fight till they drop!

     The problems are the 2 group of fans not the 2 ah jies.

163. hehe on 23 Nov 2009 at 1:13 pm #

     

     see the culprit who started the war 1st…..

     antiCHW (10:26:55) :

     By all means, telemovies are no movies. Please don’t say something like “taking movie roles”, while its clearly not.

     Fann Wong is the one taking movie roles, while Zoe Tay, as usual, can only get job offers from Mediacorp and Mediacorp only.

     Not to mention, your unsurprisingly bias towards Zoe Tay, Paul.

     (Paul: OK, I love Fann and does it satisfy you now?)

164. Pls read this on 23 Nov 2009 at 1:14 pm #

     

     wow, I’m really surprise that until today, zoe fans (I just assume all those who speak up for her are her fans, maybe they aren’t, but there again who would waste time to defend her when they don’t adore her a little bit) still want to fight for her to keep whatever titles that SOME ( i won’t condemn the WHOLE Sg media, cos SOME are really enlightened, while SOME are 100% biased).

     Just like the above Lame-on 1 hand, summarise & blame how the war begins cos of antiCHW’s comment & a zoe fan rebuttal that zoe is #1. but on the other hand, still want to continue the war by saying “zoe is always regarded as #1 wat, watever you like it or not”

     So may I ask Lame, do u want to continue the war? or do u want to stop it? make up yr mind leh.

     @Peace
     I know you really want to make peace, no doubt about it, but by saying they are both equal can’t really make peace. Yr conclusion that zoe is local fav, has already proven that u think fann isn’t local fav or she had lost out to zoe local-wise, right? but is it true? in what way has fann lost out to zoe local-wise? ice-cream has listed all fann’s local achievements, u ask yrself has fann lost out zoe? since fann beat zoe here & overseas, then how can they be equal?

     u said zoe has to be credited for being the 1st local star to do endorsements, pictorial in those early days when no local stars can .
     then i must say that’s cos she’s lucky to start acting before fann. fyi, fann has been endorsing products since her modelling days, not just here but also in taiwan (a land of many stars). zoe can’t even do as many TV ads than fann during those modelling days here, let alone overseas. and judging from fann’s meteoric rise as a local star (when zoe actually took 3 or 4 yrs to
     make it), don’t u think she can do better than zoe then.
     u have listed too many things that have already been countered so many times over in other blog entries & forums.

     @carrot-cake
     ya, u are right, how we know zoe isn’t working hard. she is definitely working hard but as a housewife not an actress. less publicity doesn’t mean not working. I don’t know about this. but just doing 1 drama a year & a few appearances in those fashion events, is this working hard? who blame zoe for any publicities relating to work? nobody.

     the whole war here started cos a zoe fan (just have to assume) calling her the #1. fyi, zoe didn’t say she doesn’t want the #1 title, when she was at the peak. it’s only when the media questioned her that people doubt her #1 title that she said she didn’t ask for it. I do agree, we can never know what she thinks. only she knows. but we can interpret her ‘thinking’from her behaviour. Look at how she behaved at the infamous Star award 2005, pls go & replay that scene when she SHOUTED at Chris to force him to admit that he said he wanted to propose to Fann. The whole Singapore witnessed that. What made her behaved this way? Don’t argue that she didn’t SHOUT at Chris. Go & replay the Anniversary award show, when Bi Ren won the Most Popular TV Character/actress, look at zoe’s SHOCK expression. I guess many people are shock too. WHY? Cos SOME local media keep telling people all these years that Zoe is the #1 Most Popular S’pore actress & Zoe believes it & act like it. And SOME people also believe it.

     You said : Anw, without NO.1 title, Zoe still can continue in this industry. WHY? Bcos she’s still working! Simple as that, no need facts or bullshit.

     Don’t mistaken, nobody ask Zoe to quit acting. And zoe can still continue in this industry cos MEDIACORP is still working NOT cos zoe is still working. If mediacorp closes down, then I can’t guarantee if zoe can still continue in this industry. You have to admit that zoe’s jobs come
     from MEDIACORP.

     Nobody is saying zoe is inferior. They just state all the factual happenings to counter her fans’ zoe is #1 claim. Nothing more & nothing less.

     @a zoe tay fan & ah jie fan
     I really like yr spirit as a zoe fan. if only other zoe fans are mature like u.
     yeap agree with u, we can only say our idol is #1 in OUR hearts, not #1 in Sg or the universe. good. may other zoe fans learn this fast, or else, zoe face really got to be thrown many times over again.

     And may all other fans of all other artistes learn this fast.

     Pls also learn the following :
     1. Popularity polls & votings are the stupidest indicators of popularity & are the most FAKE achievement.
     2. TV dramas viewership rating/rankings is also another stupid indicator of star appeal & also a FAKE achievement.
     Remember the above 2 indicators are 2 edge swords. They can be used for your advantage BUT they can also used to your disadvantage.
     The 1st indicator can be MANIPULATED according to the organizers’ agendas (just 1 of the many loopholes). The 2nd indicator relies on the whole cast & story-line.

     3. SOME local Media reports are 100% BIASED. Don’t forget media is made up of human beings who write their OWN opinions not necessarily FACTS.

     FAKE achievements can’t be crystallised cos they are unproven.
     Only REAL achievements can be crystallised & last forever.

     To those anti-Fann:

     Pls go & read those things listed above regarding the “before & after TCS/MCS Fann”, to know her better before you people shoot down her REAL
     achievements & said her fans are ungrateful to discredit TCS/MCS.
     Don’t pretend not to see it. Pls read it carefully, only then, can you people be more sensible & the Fann vs Zoe scene can end forever.

     To SOME Singapore media :
     Pls bear in mind, your reputation & crediblity lie with how you do your reporting. Your name & mugshot appear at the top of your article.
     You can see many Singaporeans already lost trust in the media (the teenager who committed suicide left a note to tell the media-Don’t ANYHOW report).

165. why? on 23 Nov 2009 at 1:37 pm #

     

     so hilarious, yo :

     why can’t zoe fans repent? did any fann’s fans say fann is SUPERIOR & deserves a public holiday for her? why so sarcastic leh?
     and why zoe fans always like to gang up with other artistes fan to attack fann?
     are they like their idol, can’t stand on her own 2 feets but always rely on her
     ‘many friends’ to help her?
     why pull in the other 7ps to help you? even at the expense of condemning yr own idol? why so pathetic one?

     if fann is considered over, then i really don’t know how to define óver’ lor.

166. hehe on 23 Nov 2009 at 1:52 pm #

     

     aiyo….fann fans their socks are really long and smelly non-stop nagging….wat era isn’t now? STILL ZOE and FANN ? dun make ppl laugh at u 2 groups of nagging mama fans lor…….WAKEUP MY DEAR MAMA fans. Still nagging….OMG

167. carrot_cake on 23 Nov 2009 at 5:14 pm #

     

     @ Pls read this:
     On the working hard thingy, it depends on perspective-taking. U might think that doing 1 drama per year and a few appearances in fashion events is not working hard. Well, it does make sense. But, quantity does not necessary means working more or less hard. Quality counts. Even if Zoe’s acting might have deteriorated, at least she tried her best to perform, and to some people, it might have already been considered as working hard.

     FYI, I think Zoe has mentioned before that she has been cutting down the number of productions. Many possibilities inside – could be that she noe her limitations or she wants to handle both her occupations (housewife and actress) or she doesnt want to hog the limelight etc…

     “Who blame Zoe for any publicities relating to work? nobody.” – Are you even partially sure that nobody blames her?
     -Zoe celebrated her birthday due to work commitment when MC King’s funeral was held and was bombarded.
     -Zoe SHOUTED at Chris to propose Fann in SA05, perhaps eager for attention etc related to demonstrate her Queen’s prowess reasons… Possible. BUT, as a performer, it could be possible too that she was trying to entertain us folks. Also, she didnt go onstage herself, some production crew asked her to go.
     -Zoe has more screentime in Ultimatum and wore better in the drama and different in color in the poster, and in the end was again bombarded.
     Dun argue that Zoe is totally not doing for work.

     I thought the whole war here in this particular post started bcos Paul said Zoe will be involved in new MOVIE role and some people went complaining away that Zoe is taking TELE-movies and not REAL movies like Fann. Correct me if I was wrong, but did Paul boast that the NO.1 Queen is taking a movie LEADING role?? NO right. Did the first Zoe’s fan boast that the NO.1 Queen is back? NO, she said our beloved Zoe.

     FYI also, Zoe didnt say she doesnt want the NO.1 title when she was at the peak. BUT did she say she wanted the NO.1 title when she was at the peak? NO. Yes, I agree that people can interpret others thinking from their behaviour. BUT, do you agree that this is FACTS? OK, Zoe might have behaved that way in SA05 bcos she’s trying to show-off, but there’re also other people “snatching attention” during SA, for example like teasing Chris and Fann, the latter kissing happily. Are these also trying to show-off that they’re special? Erm, I am not trying to drag any other artistes in to show that Zoe is special. I am trying to clear my doubts.

     Yah, I was SHOCKED when Huang Biren won the most popular award and Zoe won the another award. Bcos I thought Zoe wouldnt stand a chance in both, cos Fann deserves that two (International star = more fanbase = more support = my own thinking for the most popular award).
     Anw, just like what you mentioned, some media “psycho” some people that Zoe is NO.1 and some people who include YOU (yes, i am including you) also believe it. WHY? Bcos you might believe in what the media said, bcos you might believe that Zoe is NO.1, that’s why when she was SHOCKED, you might have auto linked it to the “fact” that she believes and acts like she’s the NO.1.
     Conclusion: Different perspective taking from Zoe’s behaviour leads to different explanation for her behaviour.

     Maybe, I misunderstood. BUT, dont’ be mistaken too, there’re some people asking Zoe to retire and have a backbone like Huang Biren who left to become a full-fledged housewife when she is still liked by many.
     If Zoe quits this industry, is there anything inappropriate to say that she’s not continuing in this industry? Anw, MCS will not close down (based on the fight wif SPH), so unless MCS doesnt want to continue contract with the artistes, the latter will get to decide whether they want to stop or cont working.
     Haha, almost all or maybe all of Zoe’s jobs come from MCS bcos that’s her company and SG has oni one company. More factual and reliable than speculation.

     Yah, nobody is saying that directly. Yah, not just stating but elaborating to prove that Zoe is less worthy.

     *I find your to some singapore media stuff interesting.. If Singapore’s media is cmi, den wad about the other countries one? Anw, if you did nothing wrong, why’re you afraid that ppl will think wrongly of you? Well, some might be crappy but ppl just reported what they see (from online). *roll eyes*

168. haha on 23 Nov 2009 at 5:42 pm #

     

     if FW is so good no need to talk so much and the more u tok the more like GREAT SINGAPORE SALE ! CHEAP SALE! EVERYONE MUST
     WORKSHIP HER LIKE GODDESS. This is wat the FW fans are doing now and this is wat they want all the world population has OWE HER.
     Ooooooo…..she is the BEST Ooooooo……she is our goddess Oooooo…..She is no. 1 ah jie Oooooooooo…..She is the queen Oooooooo…..she is the best international star Oooooooo……….she is the best hollywood star and soon bollywood star………………..This is the fans aiming for it and the rest of the artistes JUST SHUT UP and STAND ASIDE! With this compliment must be very very HAPPY lor……

169. SGmediaSUCK on 23 Nov 2009 at 7:19 pm #

     

     Now, we can see many of the Zoe’s fans has already agreed with us Fann’s fans that Zoe actually does not have what it takes to be at #1 position. But this title is given by SG media, so it’s their right to dethrone her, not ours.

     Here’s a story to share. I’ve done this three times in the past. And no replies. Not once. No one dares to say any single word about why Zoe can still be #1 when Fann and others clearly outperform her in many ways.

     Until the ice-cream’s article in xin.sg being published. And yet, everyone still acts like that was just some dog barking. I felt so sorry for those reporters and media. THEY DON’T HAVE ANY GUTS to correct their own fault.

     They dared to ruin Fann’s reputation when her father-in-law died. They liked to badmouth Fann about how ignorance and arrogance she was on SA etc. They even didn’t know how to appreciate her achievements which in fact makes us Singaporean so proud, and jealously said something like this and that was nothing special. BUT they won’t do this to Zoe. Why? Why? Why?

     If any reporter sees this but still doesn’t want to write something about this, then I guess SG media is not trustworthy at all. They don’t tell the public the truth; they just bullshit about what they like.

     A billion boos to you, SG media.

170. antiCHW on 23 Nov 2009 at 8:15 pm #

     

     “Why Zoe’s fans always like to gang up with other artistes’s fans to attack Fann?”

     This is just a regular routine for Zoe’s fans whenever they run out of materials to protect their #1. Indeed, we Fann’s fans almost never do this, because we don’t need to since Fann’s achievements are so many that we cannot possibly finish listing. However, it doesn’t mean we can’t do the same.

     1. Fann vs. Zoe

     I bet almost everyone agrees that Fann beats Zoe in any single meaningful way (including some of the Zoe’s fans, see carrot_cake’s post). Eg, Movies, BA nominations in SA history, Pay, Overseas Marketability, Singing Career, Modelling, Beauty etc

     Result: Zoe can only be ranked as #2 at most when just considering the facts.

     2. JA/FC/RE vs. Zoe

     The year-end polls gave us a new Ah Jie because she single-handedly swept away 4 out of 8 possible awards. Saying Zoe Tay’s popularity is unbeatable was one of her fans’ strategies in pulling other actresses down, however, Jeanette beated the so-called unbeatable when Zoe couldn’t even get into top 8 despite having two roles nominated. And two other princesses, Rui En and Felicia also outranked Zoe Tay in her used-to-be “comfort zone”.

     Result: Zoe at most can be ranked as #5 now.

     3. JA/HBR/CLP/Ann etc vs. Zoe

     Saying Zoe Tay is the Queen of viewership is another major strategies to justify her #1 position, and yet JA beated the unbeatable once again by acting in Little Nonya with the highest viewership ever in SG drama history. If you know how the recent ranking is, you will know Zoe is already beatable and can never be claimed as the Queen of viewership anymore.

     In terms of 经典人物, Aiyoyo and Little Nyonya outranked Bobo for sure. And HBR is the most favourite actress local wise, not her like what media portrayed.

     Result: #8 for Zoe at most.

     4. JP/Ivy/HBR etc

     In terms of acting skill, SG media used to put Fann and Zoe in the same league by stating they both are one time BA winners. So HBR and Ivy are indeed better actresses than Zoe for this reason. And JP won this at 26, which is 2 years younger than Zoe when winning hers.

     Result: Zoe can only be claimed as the bottom of top 10.

     5. XY/Zeng Huifen/Chen Xiuhuan vs. Zoe

     Experience wise, XY should be ranked ahead of Zoe, too. If Zoe’s fans’ arguments are true, then XY should not be dethroned, even when the rise of Zoe occured. She is one of the first reputable leading actresses in SG history. This applies to ZHF and CXH, too.

     Conclusion: Zoe Tay is not even a top 10 actress if we use popularity polls, viewership, how classical a role is, how they are first in SG drama industry, how experienced they are etc to justify one’s position. Which means what Zoe’s fans use to protect her idol are actually hurt herself the most. Good day, idiots.

     They are still people like Phylis, Jacelyn, Kym, Sharon and Quan Yifeng, which in some way are better than Zoe. And they didn’t count yet.

171. Fann fan on 23 Nov 2009 at 8:16 pm #

     

     FANN BETTER THAN ZOE IN ACTING AND EVERYTHING, zoe cant hold a candle to fann liao and fann younger and prettier than that zoe tay. we always support fann and not zoe..some more she only get telemovie u know..not MOVIE see our fann got act in movies and not in telemovies like zoe.we will always support Fann.

172. TO Fann fan on 23 Nov 2009 at 8:20 pm #

     

     To Fann fan,what makes u so sure that FW is so gd in her acting rmb that zoe is no.1 ah jie and ur paupei Fann is jus a duplicate ah jie,and rmb that jus coz ur fann younger than zoe and get to act in movies dont mean that her acting is better.will always support Zoe, her acting better that jp,jaa,fc and FANN.

173. Queenie on 23 Nov 2009 at 8:36 pm #

     

     antiCHW :
     Saying Zoe Tay is the Queen of viewership is another major strategies to justify her #1 position, and yet JA beated the unbeatable once again by acting in Little Nonya with the highest viewership ever in SG drama history. If you know how the recent ranking is, you will know Zoe is already beatable and can never be claimed as the Queen of viewership anymore.

     Did u account for the increase in Singapore population, the inflation and etc etc…

174. Queenie on 23 Nov 2009 at 8:38 pm #

     

     In terms of acting skill, SG media used to put Fann and Zoe in the same league by stating they both are one time BA winners. So HBR and Ivy are indeed better actresses than Zoe for this reason. And JP won this at 26, which is 2 years younger than Zoe when winning hers

     So Fann lost too!!!

175. Excited on 23 Nov 2009 at 8:39 pm #

     

     “To Fann fan,what makes u so sure that FW is so gd in her acting rmb that zoe is no.1 ah jie and ur paupei Fann is jus a duplicate ah jie,and rmb that jus coz ur fann younger than zoe and get to act in movies dont mean that her acting is better.will always support Zoe, her acting better that jp,jaa,fc and FANN.”

     What makes me sure? When Fann beated Zoe and got the first BA in SA history, despite Fann was a newbie back then; When Fann got her first nomination in HKFAA with her first movie, and Zoe couldn’t get one with her first movie, which was a big flop; When Fann single-handedly owned 11 nominations out of 14 possible times in SA history, and Zoe couldn’t even make it to be nominated for 5-6 years for the most recent ones.

     And younger doesn’t mean easier to get a movie role, too. Does JA act in more movies than Fann? What about JP/FC? Any other princesses? Don’t use Zoe’s age as an excuse, even though she does look really old and well, wrinkled.

     Speaking of “remember”, the only thing worth to remember, is the nominee list of BA this year. Which Fann, JA, JP and FC were all nominated, while your Zoe couldn’t even make it, despite having the most experience. Shame on you.

176. To Queenie on 23 Nov 2009 at 9:33 pm #

     

     Yes, if just considering the no. of times of winning, Fann did lose to HBR and Ivy, like Zoe.

     However, Fann outranks everyone when considering the age of winning it and the no of times of getting nominated.

     Fann lost 1 out of 3 categories, while Zoe lost everything. That’s the difference.

177. Peter on 23 Nov 2009 at 11:18 pm #

     

     give us a break, there are other actresses who are more populas now, admit it!!! Who have more leading roles this year??

178. PEACE 2 on 23 Nov 2009 at 11:46 pm #

     

     I agree with PEACE’s arguments, they are the most logical ones. antiCHW is just out to stir trouble, he persists in CONDEMNING zoe tay. and he says zoe fans gang up with other fans against Fann Wong. GANG UP? maybe it’s bcos it is not only zoe fans that hate her? and antiCHW likes to dig up the past, likes to pick bones. he can do what he wants la, his opinion alone is YAWNZ. zoe will still be regarded as ahjie regardless of what he barks.

     btw hor, media also got slam zoe, so many times, even more than fann. but some people choose not to see only. she kena slam over SA, over IMEdeen commercial, over milk powder commercial, over ultimatum etc. some peeps choose to ignore. say what local reporters dun dare say anything abt zoe. HAHAHA

179. huh? on 24 Nov 2009 at 12:39 am #

     

     @pls read this
     Don’t mistaken, nobody ask Zoe to quit acting. And zoe can still continue in this industry cos MEDIACORP is still working NOT cos zoe is still working. If mediacorp closes down, then I can’t guarantee if zoe can still continue in this industry. You have to admit that zoe’s jobs come
     from MEDIACORP.

     I really love this : zoe can still continue in this industry cos mediacorp is working NOT zoe is working. Short & sweet & tell everything.

     @Queenie
     I really don’t understand what you said leh? What are you comparing?
     why fann lost to all others when she was the 1st one & the youngest who won BA at the age of 24 with less than a yr of acting. she’s still holding this record leh, nobody can beat her until today wor. JP won at 26 after 7 yrs of acting mah, lost to fann lor. zoe won at 28 after 8 yrs of acting mah, so how did fann lose to both of them leh? *scratch head* hehe

     about the tv viewership rating, why bother to bring in whatever inflation, population etc? you are comparing her present dramas under present condition mah & they lost to TLN & many other dramas. so you see, nothing to do with this or that lah. that’s why zoe fans love to use this to ‘prove’ she is #1, but when people use this method to ‘prove’ she isn’t popular, they started giving excuses.
     why so stupid? people already knew there are many loopholes in this method, you all still want to use it.

     @SGmediaSUCK (19:19:35)
     clap clap, love what you said. SGmedia should do some soul-searching, cos they should know overseas media don’t even bother to carry their reporting in their news portal. Why? cos Sg media are unreliable, hehe.

     @ haha (17:42:48) :

     if FW is so good no need to talk so much and the more u tok the more like GREAT SINGAPORE SALE ! CHEAP SALE! EVERYONE MUST
     WORKSHIP HER LIKE GODDESS. This is wat the FW fans are doing now and this is wat they want all the world population has OWE HER.
     Ooooooo…..she is the BEST Ooooooo……she is our goddess Oooooo…..She is no. 1 ah jie Oooooooooo…..She is the queen Oooooooo…..she is the best international star Oooooooo……….she is the best hollywood star and soon bollywood star………………..This is the fans aiming for it and the rest of the artistes JUST SHUT UP and STAND ASIDE! With this compliment must be very very HAPPY lor……

     You don’t seem to understand anything leh. Got problem with English meh?
     Go & read properly lah. Fann’s fans are only rebutting all those misconceptions mah, where got say those things you said above.

     All said are facts mah, wrong meh? at least we are talking about facts wor. We don’t tell lies ok, don’t accuse us of saying what you said hor. very wrong of you to accuse people like that lor. zoe fans can’t defend her, then accuse other people ah, shame on you lor.

     @carrot-cake
     I like to eat carrot cake lor, but i don’t know what are you trying to say? you distort facts & then trying to explain what huh? work less doesn’t mean not hard working? huh? quality better than quantity, true lah, but zoe work got no quality & quantity wor, so how?
     huh, zoe only want to do 1 drama a year meh? she told you personally ah?
     she told the media she hopes to do 3 dramas a year wor. if she really wants to do 1 drama a year, why her fans keep coming here to beg for jobs for her & start jumping with joy when she finally got a telemovie leh? strange hor.

     oh yah, i don’t think fann fans are shock that zoe lost the most pop actress to biren leh. why should we? in the 1st place we don’t even believe in all these voting & polling cos we know how it works mah. we don’t even believe in all those sg media preaching that zoe is #1 mah. we are just like other fans of other artistes, thinking that we had voted alot for our idol, but why didn’t win leh. so simple niah.

     huh, I didn’t know zoe has the RIGHT to SHOUT at a colleague to do what she wants him to do. if she doesn’t believe she’s #1, will she DARE to shout at ah ge Chris leh? do you think bi ren will /DARES to do that?
     maybe we have diff wave-lengths, hehe.

     whether she did or didn’t say she wants the #1 title is unimportant, cos her above actions speak very loud & clear, that she believes she’s #1 lor.

     c’mon lah can you differentiate teasing from COMMANDING BY SHOUTING.
     Mark lee was teasing but zoe was ORDERING/COMMANDING. Who would be entertained being shouted at, tell me leh? don’t tell me if someone shouted at you to do something, you find it entertaining hor. if you do, then something is very wrong with you liao. even bi ren told fann that she did the right thing by walking out instead of going up the stage, the situation will be worse lor.

     Couples kissing at award ceremonies are so common, everywhere lah, what attention grabbing? if someone kissing someone other than their partners, then that is attention-grabbing lah.

     **mediacorp is the only tv station here, so of coz zoe gets most of her jobs from them.

     that’s exactly what we are saying lor. you also agree mah, so what are you trying to tell us leh. you & us also agree that zoe can only be an actress cos of mediacorp lor. btw, zoe got ALL her jobs from mediacorp lah.

     but you missed the point leh. some artistes can still get jobs outside mediacorp wor, why zoe can’t leh?

     and can’t you tell that UNLESS mediacorp wants to hire zoe, or else, she can’t continue to act liao.

     and don’t be so sure that mediacorp won’t close down lah. in this world anything can happen de. but you zoe fans have to pray hard this day won’t come lah,. just like who knows i might drop dead after sending this posting, haha, right hor?

     *I find your to some singapore media stuff interesting.. If Singapore’s media is cmi, den wad about the other countries one? Anw, if you did nothing wrong, why’re you afraid that ppl will think wrongly of you? Well, some might be crappy but ppl just reported what they see (from online). *roll eyes*

     these words just show how ignorant you are lor. you don’t read foreign media hor. foreign media is good at writing nonsense BUT they are very fair & unbiased. you will read about them praising & condeming the same artiste. and never biased like SOME Sgmedia lor. when 1 artiste outdo the other, they will report it & it applied to ALL the artistes wor.

     but SOME SGmedia are 100% biased lor. when Fann got so many endorsements, they never said she outdo zoe wor. but they will still find stupid ways to say someone outdo Fann, even when that NEVER happen. That’s the reason why SOME sgmedia are really CMI lor.

     oh ya, yyou are right, just like zhu hou ren said of fann, she’s upright in her doing, she’s not afraid of what people say of her.

180. haha on 24 Nov 2009 at 8:58 am #

     

     With the following compliment…. these group of FW fans still not satisfy and still nagging ?

     OK lah…..Now tell the world population MUST WORKSHIP HER.
     The world must declared a public holiday to the people on earth specially for their goddess.

     Ooooooo…..she is the BEST Ooooooo……she is our goddess Oooooo…..She is no. 1 ah jie Oooooooooo…..She is the queen Oooooooo…..she is the best international star Oooooooo……….she is the best hollywood star and soon bollywood star………………..This is the fans aiming for it and the rest of the artistes ALL MUST SHUT UP and STAND ASIDE!

     No wonder retribution…..got h1n1 becos of the fans keep talking and nagging NON STOP……..sounds like parrot…..

181. hahaha on 24 Nov 2009 at 10:42 am #

     

     to haha:
     are u a zoe fan. coz even if u r not they will say tt u r. tey cannot accept tt there r other pple who hate fann wong. so whoever hate fann, they will say tt person is zoe fan. esp nw zoe easier to attack mah. u dun see them attacking joanne peh? why leh? coz joanne is up n rising mah. simple as dat. fann is cheap lah. in her younger days she went to taiwan to model, establish contacts etc. once u got contacts of coz easier to work in future mah. tey hv juz proved tt fann is a strategic businesswoman tts all.

182. yes on 24 Nov 2009 at 11:34 am #

     

     isn’t fann history already?

183. losers on 24 Nov 2009 at 1:24 pm #

     

     all the time we see fann wong fans painting zoe tay as a loser. all i can say is tey are the biggest losers. dats wat losers do, mix facts and opinions up to distort ppl’s ideas. zoe tay alreadi said since she renewed her contract ages ago she onli hope to do 1 drama per yr. last yr she had two to pay back for previous yr when she had baby n so got no show. oh my god. even people who dun pay attention to zoe know about tat loh. and to fann wong fans who say SG media don dare to scold her, maybe u don read de papers enough, u are onli sensitive to those reports that scold ur fann wong. i wud say in recent zoe got scolded so much more den fann wong. go read up pls. there was even a no. of reports over her age and wrinkles. fann wong’s face like someone say botox until so tight also no one scold la, so pls wake up, zoe got scolded so much more these days. LOSERS

184. alamak on 24 Nov 2009 at 1:30 pm #

     

     Just want to say Fannwong started out just when SA started. Xiangyun or Zoetay might have been the most nominated. Or Chen Liping also. They are the all consistent female actresses. Bobo and Luo Qifang might have won Zoetay another BA hor, if Bobo won, she wud be youngest. Be more reasonable. Aiyoyo might have won BA also. Moreover, Ivy left for a few years in between. Huangbiren only took on leading roles since 1999 hor, before that all supporting. So don come and say Fann most nominated and all that. Make people feel sick nia.

185. why? on 24 Nov 2009 at 2:44 pm #

     

     hahaha (10:42:46) :

     @to haha:
     are u a zoe fan. coz even if u r not they will say tt u r. tey cannot accept tt there r other pple who hate fann wong. so whoever hate fann, they will say tt person is zoe fan. esp nw zoe easier to attack mah. u dun see them attacking joanne peh? why leh? coz joanne is up n rising mah. simple as dat. fann is cheap lah. in her younger days she went to taiwan to model, establish contacts etc. once u got contacts of coz easier to work in future mah. tey hv juz proved tt fann is a strategic businesswoman tts all.

     **that’s exactly what zoe tay fans believe lor, whenever zoe got slammed they blame fann’s fans lor.

     No wonder retribution…..got h1n1 becos of the fans keep talking and nagging NON STOP……..sounds like parrot…..

     ***wah, zoe fans so bad hearted ah, no wonder zoe got punished lor, no jobs lor, got to beg mcs for jobs. that’s a much bigger retribution leh.
     don’t tell me zoe won’t fall ill one day hor. don’t tell me guarantee nothing bad will happen to her hubby or children one day hor. to what i know she lost her father & brother to illnesses leh, is that a bigger retribution????
     yes (11:34:33) :

     isn’t fann history already?

     ***if fann is history, then you got to re-define history lor. can history still always make news & make more news than anybody who you consider
     the IT celeb leh?

     losers (13:24:42) :

     all the time we see fann wong fans painting zoe tay as a loser. all i can say is tey are the biggest losers. dats wat losers do, mix facts and opinions up to distort ppl’s ideas. zoe tay alreadi said since she renewed her contract ages ago she onli hope to do 1 drama per yr. last yr she had two to pay back for previous yr when she had baby n so got no show. oh my god. even people who dun pay attention to zoe know about tat loh. and to fann wong fans who say SG media don dare to scold her, maybe u don read de papers enough, u are onli sensitive to those reports that scold ur fann wong. i wud say in recent zoe got scolded so much more den fann wong. go read up pls. there was even a no. of reports over her age and wrinkles. fann wong’s face like someone say botox until so tight also no one scold la, so pls wake up, zoe got scolded so much more these days. LOSERS

     ****Pls tell us aren’t you giving opinions too. everything we listed above about fann is facts.
     BTw, why always deny what zoe said leh? long time ago, when she was at her peak, she said she only want to do 2 dramas a year (that was more than 10 yrs ago), so mediacorp started giving plum roles to bi ren & ivy, until they both became popular & became established actresses until zoe lost her footing lor. then she went to marry & after she gave birth to her 2nd son, she said she wants to do 3 dramas a year, cos got pay-cut liao, needs money lor. you mean you all didn’t know this. but by now, mediacorp want to groom the next batch of actresses liao, so she can only do 1 drama lor. but don’t worry lah, bi ren & ivy have left liao, so zoe will have more jobs liao, hehe.

     fann face got botoxed or not? if the media got proofs, they will surely slam her mah. ask them to get proofs lor. but zoe got wrinkles is fact liao, so can write lor. if they got no proofs about fann being botox, they better get prepared to be sued hor, cos fann has skin-care endorsements leh.
     you think these media don’t know law ah. or you think they love fann that’s why don’t slam her ah? you must be crazy ah.

     alamak (13:30:48) :

     Just want to say Fannwong started out just when SA started. Xiangyun or Zoetay might have been the most nominated. Or Chen Liping also. They are the all consistent female actresses. Bobo and Luo Qifang might have won Zoetay another BA hor, if Bobo won, she wud be youngest. Be more reasonable. Aiyoyo might have won BA also. Moreover, Ivy left for a few years in between. Huangbiren only took on leading roles since 1999 hor, before that all supporting. So don come and say Fann most nominated and all that. Make people feel sick nia.

     ****Huh, you mean fann was the only lead actress acting during 1994, so surely she’s the one who will win the BA ah????
     Mind you, she’s just one of the many lead actresses leh. zoe also got act mah, you mean zoe only act well as bobo, so if no bobo, then she’s not good enough to win a BA lah? oh so, zoe is only that good nia???
     why bring in bi ren? bi ren didn’t even get a chance to play lead roles then, cos mediacorp gave all the challenging role to zoe. that’s why we don’t want to compare bi ren, so unfair to bi ren leh. ivy’s acting was slammed for so many years until after she married, then her acting starts to get praises.
     alemak, you are really not in the loop of local tv industry lah.

186. STOP IT on 24 Nov 2009 at 4:04 pm #

     

     Stop it will u all?

     Zoe Tay has earned her keep. Enough said. Stop contesting whether she is #1 anot.

     Fann Wong has earned her keep as well. Stop fighting for her #1 status because she doesn’t bother.

     Both are phenomenal actresses so PLEASE STOP IT.

187. To both sides of the camp on 24 Nov 2009 at 4:32 pm #

     

     Hello!

     Both Zoe Tay and Fann Wong have made their mark in the TV industry. They will go down in the history of local TV as one of the most successful TV actresses we have ever had. Whether both camps like it anot, both of them are fantastic.

     For Fann camp especially: please note that what I said is about the local TV industry, not about the movie industry. I know Fann has made her mark overseas on TV and in the movie industry. YES, we all know that. But this is about the local TV industry. This is not to protect Zoe or what, but many people are already sick of you listing Fann’s achievements and so on. When we move on to another level, talking about Singaporean actresses at the regional or international scale, then YES keep yakking about Fann. She’s undisputably the most successful there. I hope you understand my meaning.

     For Zoe camp especially: some may be Zoe supporters, some may be others’. No need to come and shield Zoe already. Some people are obviously out to create trouble, can’t u all see? Zoe has already made her mark in LOCAL TV industry and has nothing to prove. But u must also know that Zoe cannot compete with Fann in other aspects already, Know ur own limits please. Otherwise the other camp will just drown u.

188. haha on 24 Nov 2009 at 5:48 pm #

     

     OMG….still lots of parrots nagging from the fann fans. The present era is about JA, JP, FC, Jesseca and Ruien …….NO MORE wat FANN or ZOE……………they r outdated already. WAKE UP PARROTS!

189. Wake you up on 24 Nov 2009 at 6:02 pm #

     

     “Here’s a story to share. I’ve done this three times in the past. And no replies. Not once. No one dares to say any single word about why Zoe can still be #1 when Fann and others clearly outperform her in many ways.”

     I didn’t say why no one dares to say anything bad about Zoe. What I said is why no one (SG Media) comes out and say Zoe can still be #1 when Fann surpassed her.

     Why Zoe is #1 is clearly the problem.

     And a rather interesting to see:

     When Zoe’s fans have nothing better to say,

     A. They curse Fann Wong. By “curse”, I mean personal attack;
     B. They accuse us Fann’s fans of creating troubles and call us losers, while we are just stating the hard facts, which Zoe doesn’t have;
     C. They try their best to insult every single thing regarding Fann, and question Fann’s achievements when her Zoe hardly gets any of those;
     D. Even if they know they’ve lost, they won’t surrender by saying “Zoe is #1, even is she sucks” and “Fann doesn’t care”;

     For me, it sounds more like a loser. A sole loser.

190. 7p on 24 Nov 2009 at 6:28 pm #

     

     And for those 7ps’ fans who try to shut us up:

     I can see many of the 7ps will surpass Zoe soon, as a couple of her so-called RECORDS are already broken, for instance, vierwership wise (JA), SA wise (JP), Popularity polls wise (JA/RE/FC) etc

     So I can surely agree with you that Zoe is over-the-hill.

     But Fann isn’t.

     No one yet to break her records.
     A. 500000 copies sold for her Shopping album in Taiwan. RE, as a singer, hardly breaks this.
     B. First Singaporean openning a solo concert in the in-door stadium. This is something we called “First in the History”, and I bet it’s just as important if not more as Zoe’s “First Star Search Winner” title; RE, as the only one who can sing, hardly breaks this, too.
     C. 10+ movies. No one comes close. Period.
     D. Hollywood. Again, the ultimate dream of every actor’s. Even if you are a TVBS A-lister or some regional superstar, it’s still a really hard thing to achieve. 7ps, way to go.
     E. The highest pay for endorsements, movies and so on. I bet unless she decides to retire, no one has a chance to break this.
     F. All the red carpet things. You have to get a regional recognition first before you can attend this kind of event. Again, 7ps have a long way to go.
     G. Google Fann and 范文芳 yourself. You will get what I mean.
     H. SA related records, eg the youngest BA (only Dawn can break this as she’s 23 now but I doubt her chance), the youngest 特別成就獎 recipient with only 6+ years of experience (since it’s no longer available, no one can break this), the youngest All-Time-Favourite recipient and so.

     Don’t say Fann is over. Comparing with her, the night is still very young for evey of the 7ps.

191. To 7p on 24 Nov 2009 at 7:05 pm #

     

     7ps have 7ps to fight it out among themselves. fann wong onli got zoe tay to fight. so obviously easier to win loh. plus zoe tay already reach her peak when fann come out. 7ps have so much more competition.

     fann fans wun admit dat it is luck dat she has gotten so far. tey just wan to say she is de best she is de best she is de best she has beaten so many records blah blah. de BEST is not decided by u all. everyone will say their idol is de best. so who’s de best? and u scold us 7ps fans when we say JA is de best or JP is de best. hahaha.

     fann fans compare her overseas achievements. they deny dat fann already went overseas to get contacts and prepare for her region. say zoe PR good with local media – fann wong PR good with foreign media loh. dats how she can succeed wat. they jus wun admit tat say fann wong with mcs will still hv jobs. yah ok den ask her to quit loh.

     in terms of TV achievements wat else has she done? in terms of tv, u say she is youngest BA winner. does dat mean de best? youngest this youngest that. what else?? she is not valid anymore. no one likes her except for the crazy fan club. FANNATICS. they are fannatics!!! need i say more about their opinions?

192. To 7P on 24 Nov 2009 at 7:14 pm #

     

     Excuse me! Are u trying to get all 7Ps ’s fans into this zoe vs fann war. Lame. People let be calm. Fann’s Fans so childish. Trying to pull 7Ps’s fans into the war. We should just say Ya Ya Ya Fann very great? No? Zoe very great ?No? 7Ps very great ?No. Everyone attract different market of audience. haha. I think Fann should ashame that her fans are like this.Trying praise fann and pull other ppl idol down is bad. Stop comparing. You are making yr idol look bad. Yes 7Ps are still not that standard but what you write may cause a big war.
     I think Zoe’s fans should stop also.

     I believed you don’t want ppl to said yr Fann right. Why bother to criticise others and pull alll 7Ps now.You should just ignore them. It will be peace .

193. 7p on 24 Nov 2009 at 9:19 pm #

     

     “7ps have 7ps to fight it out among themselves. fann wong onli got zoe tay to fight. so obviously easier to win loh. plus zoe tay already reach her peak when fann come out. 7ps have so much more competition.”

     You are so wrong. In 90s, there were 6 Ah Jies, and Fann and Zoe are the two survivors. Not to mention, Ivy, HBR, CLP and XY were not even included yet. 7ps still have to fight against each other because there are no clear winners yet.

     “fann fans wun admit dat it is luck dat she has gotten so far. tey just wan to say she is de best she is de best she is de best she has beaten so many records blah blah. de BEST is not decided by u all. everyone will say their idol is de best. so who’s de best? and u scold us 7ps fans when we say JA is de best or JP is de best. hahaha.”

     Luck is one of the factors, and we never denied it. And her records are not decided by us, too. They are all facts. FWIW, it’s always Zoe’s fans calling her Zoe is #1, the best etc. Why not making noise about them? Clearly, you might be one of them, stupid. And I like JA, so I won’t scold you for saying she’s the best among 7ps.

     “fann fans compare her overseas achievements. they deny dat fann already went overseas to get contacts and prepare for her region. say zoe PR good with local media – fann wong PR good with foreign media loh. dats how she can succeed wat. they jus wun admit tat say fann wong with mcs will still hv jobs. yah ok den ask her to quit loh.”

     Enough said. You are just a moron who can’t understand English properly.

     “in terms of TV achievements wat else has she done? in terms of tv, u say she is youngest BA winner. does dat mean de best? youngest this youngest that. what else?? she is not valid anymore. no one likes her except for the crazy fan club. FANNATICS. they are fannatics!!! need i say more about their opinions?”

     What else? On one hand, tell us not to list anymore. On the other hand, tell us to list more. Are you sure you want more? Likewise, tell us what has Zoe done? You ZEROs.

194. To 7p on 24 Nov 2009 at 9:26 pm #

     

     Oei. Can dun drag 7ps in not? If you like yr fann so much, worhsip her in yr rm. dun HAOLIAN her everywhere lor. You just worried fann has to done so many things, yet she is not respected and loved by everyone. You feel tt it is unfair. BUT tis duzen make tings better lor. Zoe no need to do so many things also got so many peeps defend her. go tink abt it . WHY zoe so many peeps like but not yr fann? 7ps are taking over the scene now, and yr fann is going to disappear. no one is going to talk abt her. Go 7ps!!!!! Especially Fel and Joanne!!! they haf super potential, can beat fann to pieces!

195. 7p on 24 Nov 2009 at 9:29 pm #

     

     “Excuse me! Are u trying to get all 7Ps ’s fans into this zoe vs fann war. Lame. People let be calm. Fann’s Fans so childish. Trying to pull 7Ps’s fans into the war.”

     You are truly mistaken. Just to tell the fans of 7ps that Fann isn’t over, and welcome them to break her records if possible.

     “We should just say Ya Ya Ya Fann very great? No? Zoe very great ?No? 7Ps very great ?No. Everyone attract different market of audience. haha.”

     Did I tell you to do so? Don’t be 一廂情愿.

     ” I think Fann should ashame that her fans are like this.Trying praise fann and pull other ppl idol down is bad. Stop comparing. You are making yr idol look bad. Yes 7Ps are still not that standard but what you write may cause a big war.
     I think Zoe’s fans should stop also.”

     What did I critisize? And FWIW, the person who heavily critized the 7ps is Zoe Tay herself.

     “I believed you don’t want ppl to said yr Fann right. Why bother to criticise others and pull alll 7Ps now.You should just ignore them. It will be peace .”

     Don’t pull 7ps. I promise if 7ps’ fans don’t get involved in this Fann vs Zoe war in the first place.

196. JA fan on 24 Nov 2009 at 9:51 pm #

     

     Even though Fann fans sound a bit cocky, but what they said are quite true.

     Since Zoe’s achievements are all local, 7ps can surpass her easier than Fann.
     And for that so-called 7ps’ fan, I didn’t see 7p criticizing any of the 7ps, and the other Fann’s fans even praised some of the 7ps. For that, I don’t think you have any right to scold them.

     I think if Kit Chan can be dethroned by Stefanie Sun, why Zoe Tay can’t be dethroned by Fann Wong? They are in almost the same situation.

     Think about it, other 7ps’ fans. If Zoe Tay can forever hold her position without any improvement, then why should our idols work so hard? There’s nothing for them to gain.

     And yes, we don’t want to get involved in this forever lasting war. Should we all 7ps’ fans keep quiet.

197. carrot_cake on 25 Nov 2009 at 1:29 am #

     

     Paiseh, if u can’t get why I am saying bcos we r of different wavelengths.
     Rather than saying that I am distorting facts, why dont you think that you’re refusing to accept other facts? Work less doesnt mean less hardworking. Get it? U dun haf to get many achievements to tell others that you’re more hardworking or better than people. Haha, Zoe got no quality bcos she wasnt nominated in SA? U dun haf to necessary to get nominated to show you’ve quality. Nomination is a recognition.

     Sorry lor, Zoe nvr told me anything, but from what I noe, she’s cutting down her productions. This is not strange, sorry to say this, but you’re asking for the obvious. Who doesnt get happy if there’s more opportunity to see their idols on tv more? Just scroll this whole post or refer to other posts, you can see practically everyone, including the 7P, Fann and even Huang Biren’s fans are doing this.

     Sheesh, if you dont even believe in all these voting and polling, why some Fann’s fans bother to vote for your idol in SA? Why even bother to mention that Zoe cannot make it in the favorite character thingy? Why bother to mention that Zoe is out of #100 in the China artiste thingy? Yea, voting for the sake of voting…

     Ha, I oso didnt noe become NO.1den haf the RIGHT to SHOUT at a colleague wor!! Do you really think that oni NO.1 den can SHOUT at ah-ge? For example, ah-jie cannot shout at ah-ge meh? A friend cannot shout at another friend meh? And, talking loudly must be shouting? Anw, even if Zoe was shouting, she was not shouting at Chris oni, she was trying to communicate wif ppl sitting above and below. Dun compare Huang Biren to Zoe, the former is not those like to play pranks one compared to the latter.

     Does that mean Zeng Guo Cheng poking fun of other artistes (some even big shots) during SA shows that he’s very important oso? TSK, you might think that Zoe believes she’s NO.1 bcos she SHOUTED at AH-GE, but that’s just you and others who believe in what you perceived. SORRY, but in this case, can I oso mention that taking alot of overseas commitments, participating in areas that ppl now cannot achieved yet shows that she wants the NO.1 title, wants ppl to believe she’s NO.1?

     I’m perfectly okay, so I am differentiate teasing from commanding. I’ve to admit that I wun be happy if someone ordered me to do smthg I dun like. BUT, that depends on the content. If ppl shouted at you to strip when the music played is “tuo diao”, dont tell me ur face’ll turn black izzit? Somemore, as performers, more or less they should be able to anticipate some teasing (maybe not openly onstage la)..

     Quote from what someone had mentioned long ago: award ceremonies are supposed to be serious one.. Anw, if couples kissed, confirm the camera will direct to them and next day, newspapers or magazines will haf a small image and article on it. Not considered attention-grabbing meh? Good tactic to conceal it, maybe..

     Oh-ya, like who? Dun forget some haf other agencies outside, kk. Just like wad you mentioned, Zoe has got ALL her jobs from MCS. btw, wad i am trying to say is hard to say here, so i dun want to probe on, since the conclusion is the same.

     On “UNLESS MCS wants to hire an artiste…”, can’t you read what I wrote before your reply to me? Or u missed my point huh?? Btw, do you noe wad is freelance artiste?

     Return this sentence to you: “dont be so sure that mcs will close down la.. in this world not everything can de..” haha, if you so suay drop dead after sending the post, do smthg good by granting the wish that mcs will not close down hor.. hope u wun so suay. =.=

     Sorry for being ignorant bcos I really dun read foreign media. Based on wad u wrote: basically some SGmedia will still praise and condemn the artistes and not fully biased lor. For instance, when some big shots nvr attend funeral bcos of work commitments, both of them will still kena get bombed wor.

     Pls lor, just like wad you mentioned sia.. Fann got many endorsements bcos she got overseas market, but Zoe doesnt have bcos she’s less marketable. In that case, what’s there to be proud of, when the comparison in the beginning is tsk tsk. Anw, I dun mind admitting that Zoe is less successful that Fann. =) So, dont tell me it is honorable for u to be compared wif someone less successful that you? 7P are of the same league that’s why media always compared them, dont tell me you find it “WOW” to compared the 7P with Zoe or Fann.

     Good then! It applies to everyone. =)

     *FYI, when people said Zoe is NO.1 or Queen hor, there can be many possibilities to the title, not just bcos of how many records she set or how many overseas products she had or how many albums she released. =)

     Lastly, thanks for liking carrot cake. I oso like carrot cake.

198. To 7P on 25 Nov 2009 at 1:45 am #

     

     No worries.I’m not getting involved in it. Jus wanna see some peace for bagua blog. It a nice place whr paul can share updates with us.

     whoever who start the war first is 最會禍首。 okies Peace people! This war should end now. Ja vs Jp war should end too. It 2010 in 1 mths times. Cheers People! LOOK on the better side.

199. carrot_cake on 25 Nov 2009 at 1:45 am #

     

     @ JA fan:
     Yah, Zoe might be easy to overtake her, cos Zoe’s achievement at most is within Singapore, easy to achieve sia. Pls lah, Fann already set a new benchmark and now you all are still comparing with someone many of you claimed as passe? How, ironic.
     I like some of the 7P, but LNY can break the record is bcos of its great plot (by the great writer) and refreshing theme, not bcos of the artistes who acted. Some even claimed that the characters are two-dimensional lo.. Just l00k at how Ultimatum failed.
     AND, instead of blaming on Zoe for forever holding her position, why dont you examine yourself!!! The 7P dont haf the ability to crave out their own, or you dont haf the faith in them huh? And pls examine urself b4 asking ppl to think abt it. JA herself mentioned that she’s working hard not bcos she wants to replace Zoe or wants to gain anything, kkies?? *roll eyes*

     @ 7P:
     Paiseh, fyi, Zoe did not criticise or heavily criticise the 7P, kkies? That’s the media and you who think they were criticism. So, if you dun want urself to get involved in the first place or ppl say that you’re criticising, pls t8 note of wad u write, OK. *roll eyes*

200. carrot_cake on 25 Nov 2009 at 1:57 am #

     

     @ wake you up:
     A. As if oni FW was personally attacked.
     B. Not troubles meh? Since u noe that Fann doesnt want the title and some of u dont even give it a heck, so why jump out and make troubles? Search this post and u will noe. Btw, u r oso calling others losers, so dont feel unjust when ppl call u back the same thing.
     C. When Zoe has achievements during her era, did you comment anything? Yeah, they might be nothing now, but at that time, u think they were called achievements for fun? Now, she hasnt had anything and u all still try ur best to insult every single thing abt her.
     D. Even if Zoe sucks, she’s still our NO.1 idol. You might see smthg worthless but others might see it priceless.

     Why Zoe is NO.1 can imply in many ways, not necessary achievements, records broken or etc superficial. What is it exactly, pls think in-depth urself and not ask we for the question. Anw, since u alr haf an answer, why bother to ask and show off how desperate u r for NO.1?

201. To JA fan and 7P on 25 Nov 2009 at 2:11 am #

     

     yah, the person who started it, antiCHW, shld be banned from the blog. paul can anot? he is the one who persistently fight his way through, cursing poor zoe all the way.

     also, kit chan has not been dethroned by stefanie sun. no one has said kit chan is no longer 国宝. in fact she is still 国宝. its a label tt people, media give to the artiste. zoe’s label was #1 ahjie. unfortunately. since the #1 part is the part tt is causing prob here. but tt #1 was given in her heydays. why cant she keep it then?

     Everyone, tom dick or harry also knows stefanie sun has succeeded kit in a lot of ways. but they dun compare both wat. In the same case, zoe and fann, right? Everyone also know fann has succeeded zoe in a lot of ways. but why cant fann supporters just be calm when zoe supporters cheer for her and say she is #1 ahjie? if u treat it as a label only, den ok wat? fann wong is an even bigger #1 ahjie compared to zoe, just like stefanie sun is a bigger 国宝 compared to kit. dats all wat. see? things can be so simple. why make it so complicated?

     i trying to be as neutral here as i can, pls try understand de point i m making. i dun like to either ah jie being bullied, especially when they r not at fault, it is their fans who create the trouble! both ah jies are nice people. oh. btw, zoe tay never criticise 7ps also, u must be misled by the newspaper article. tt time already got people say here liao, either this blog or MCS forum.

202. Zoe Tay fan on 25 Nov 2009 at 2:29 am #

     

     Sigh. The “#1 Ah Jie” was a title that was established ages ago, even before Fann Wong became big overseas. That title has followed Zoe since then. Just think of the “#1 Ah Jie” as an early1990s construct. The #1 in the title no longer applies now, since we all know obviously that at this very moment in time, it is not Zoe who rules the ratings and public opinions and the hearts of the viewers anymore. It is precisely because of the fact that this “#1 Ah Jie” title was created back then for Zoe, that they have to resort to coming up with new titles for other outstanding actresses. For instance, they call Huang Biren the Drama Goddess (”Xi4 Ju4 Nv3 Shen2″ – although its usage has not been popularized yet). Which explains why some Zoe fans (not me though) keep using the term, and why the media didn’t go and “correct” the title – because it was a title that had already been given away to the person.

     I personally do not advocate the use of rankings in such titles but what has been done is already done. If you realize the media seldom uses #1 and #2 to refer to the 2 Ah Jies now. They have tried to put them both on equal footing, simply as Ah Jies and not anything else. But of course sometimes, people will still see Zoe being placed ahead of Fann; it is probably a mixture of both seniority and also due to the #1 title which Zoe was associated with.

     Let’s all make peace can? Zoe fans please stop using #1 Ah Jie anymore. Just call her Ah Jie. Fann fans please stop listing Fann’s achievements – it makes her look arrogant honestly, and we know she isn’t. Fann has outdone Zoe but Zoe still deserves her position (I have to reiterate, not as #1 but as one of the most recognizable faces in MCS history and definitely one of the top actresses from the last decade) in MCS. So peace to all please.

203. To 7p fans on 25 Nov 2009 at 8:57 am #

     

     But we have our preferences, likes and dislikes also, so why can’t we say?

     I dun like the way the fans of fw coming here to show off how good their fw is. & they say until like our 7ps like shit also.

204. ahboyahgirl on 25 Nov 2009 at 9:03 am #

     

     With all these records Zoe is not deserved to called no.1 ah jie ?
     Spokesperson
     • Lux (First Asian LUX Girl)
     • Poh Kong Chye
     • McDonald’s
     • De Beers
     • Phillip Wain
     • Fujitsu
     • Bee Cheng Hiang
     • Mili
     • Wai Pai
     • Imedeen
     • Ebel Watch
     • Olympus
     • Super Coffee Mix(brand)
     • MTM Skin Care
     • Drypers
     • Similac
     • Extrim Slimming Pills
     • Rustic Nirvana Spa …………………..
     Ambassadorial duties
     • Ambassador of Swatch, 1996
     • Ambassador of Anti-Smoking Campaign, 1996
     • Ambassador of The Green Label, 2000
     • Ambassador of National Blood Recruitment, 2001
     • Ambassador of World Vision Singapore, 2003 (Cambodia)
     • Ambassador of World Vision Singapore, 2003 (Mongolia)
     • Ambassador of World Vision Singapore, 2004 (Africa)
     Publications
     • Zoe’s Pictorial, 1995 (Being the first artist to launch a coffee table book)
     • “A Toast to Life”, 2004 (Exclusive 2005 calendar that is in production during Zoe’s pregnancy)
     Discography
     Self-titled albums
     • 10th Anniversary Zoe Tay (十分…郑惠玉), 1996
     • Thank You (Personal Album)（十分。。。感谢）, 1998
     Compilations
     • TCS All Stars Compilation (新视红星歌影集), 1995
     • Only, 1996
     • Gems (晶粹), 1996
     • TCS/Rock Compilation – The Unbeatables (唱作剧佳), 1996
     • Morning Express II (阳光系列II), 1997
     • TCS/Warner Compilation (星势精彩十六首), 1998
     • Liu Lian Compilation (流连), 1998
     • Lunar New Year Compilation (群星贺岁), 1999
     • Morning Express IV (阳光系列IV), 2000
     • Singapore One Voice-National Songs Collection, 2000
     • Morning Express V (阳光系列V), 2001
     • Morning Express VI (阳光系列VI), 2002
     • Lunar New Year 2003 VCD, 2003
     • Lunar New Year 2004 (花开富贵迎新春), 2004
     • Lunar New Year 2005 (迎春接福喜临门), 2005
     Soundtracks
     • The Unbeatables II (双天至尊II), 1998
     • Lost Soul（另类佳人）, 1999
     • Millennium Bug （千年虫）, 1999
     Drama serial songs
     • Unbeatables II (双天至尊Ⅱ) Main Theme : 《当爱擦身而过》
     • Unbeatables II (双天至尊Ⅱ) Interlude : 《就是你》
     • Love in A Foreign City (富贵双城) Main Theme : 《花不语》
     • The Millennium Bug (千年虫) Interlude : 《Long Long Ago》
     • The Millennium Bug (千年虫) Interlude : 《如果智慧能迁移》
     • The Strategem (世纪攻略) Main Theme : 《你的世界》
     • The Hotel (大酒店) Main Theme : 《分享》
     • Katong Miss Oh (加东Miss Oh) Main Theme : 《童话狂想》
     • Unbeatables III (双天至尊Ⅲ) Interlude :《不一样的我们》
     • Baby Boom (我家四个宝) Main Theme : 《我家四个宝》
     • My Mighty In-Laws (野蛮亲家) Main Theme : 《爱要说出来》
     Filmography
     TV programmes
     • My Fair Ladies Fu Guihua (窈窕淑女), 1988
     • Strange Encounters II (奇缘之怨偶天成), 1988
     • Patrol (铁警雄风), 1989
     • A Mother’s Love Yi Ning (亲心唤我心), 1989
     • Finishing Line Ye Bei (出人头地), 1989
     • Navy Series (壮志豪情), 1990
     • Friends Next Door (我爱芳邻), 1990
     • Crime and Passion (执法先锋), 1991
     • The Last Swordsman Hongxiu (最后一个大侠), 1991
     • Pretty Faces BoBo (三面夏娃), 1991
     • Ladies In Action Ni Jie (霹雳红唇), 1992
     • Terms of Endearment (戏剧人生), 1992
     • Ride The Waves (卿本佳人), 1993
     • Angel of Vengeance Yanling (暴雨狂花), 1993
     • The Unbeatables Long Jia Jia/Luo Qi Fang (双天至尊), 1993
     • Happy Foes (欢喜冤家), 1993
     • Thunder Plot Le Shan (惊天大阴谋), 1994
     • Truly Yours Qi Meihua (聪明糊涂心), 1994
     • Shadows In the Dark (一号凶宅), 1994
     • The Teochew Family Cai Mei Na (潮洲家族), 1995
     • Golden Pillow Zhou Xiaodan (金枕头), 1995
     • Women From Shun Tak (妈姐情缘), 1995
     • The Unbeatables II Luo Qi Fang (双天至尊II), 1996
     • Love in A Foreign City Yu Shu Ting (富贵双城), 1996
     • My Wife, Your Wife, Their Wives (101老婆之老婆柠檬茶), 1997
     • Rising Expectations Yu-Mei (长河), 1997
     • Return of the Condor Heroes Lu Er-Niang (神雕侠侣), 1998
     • The Legend of Wisely Bai Su (卫斯理传奇), 1998
     • Lost Soul “Yu Ying”(另类佳人), 1999
     • The Millennium Bug Huang Si Jie (千年虫), 1999
     • My Home Affairs Zhang Xiao Tong (家事), 2000
     • The Strategem Ye Kai Shuang (世纪攻略), 2000
     • The Hotel Biyu (大酒店), 2001
     • Katong Miss Oh Miss Oh (加东Miss Oh), 2002
     • The Unbeatables III Luo Qi Fang (双天至尊III), 2002
     • Baby Boom Kim (我家四个宝), 2003
     • Phua Chu Kang Ting Ting , 2003
     • Man At 40! Jian Jie (跑吧!男人), 2004
     • My Mighty In-Laws Yao Mei Mei (我的野蛮亲家), 2004
     • The Perfect Wife Yue Liang Liang (闲妻靓母), 2006 ……………………
     Films
     • Liang Po Po Zoe Tay (梁婆婆重出江湖), 1999
     • The Tree Guo Mei Feng (孩子树), 2001
     Television films
     • Love Dowry Min(爱情定金), 1994
     • Love Knows No Bounds Xiu Hui (甜甜屋), 1995
     • Pointed Triangle Shi Jia(杀之恋), 1995
     • The Scoop Joey (迷情专访), 1997
     TV hosting
     Variety shows
     • Star Search ‘93 (才华横溢出新秀), 1993
     • Journey Across Vietnam (真心真意—越南之行), 2001
     • Travel Hunt (奇趣搜搜搜), 2001
     • Lunar New Year All Stars Variety (歌舞欢腾迎新喜), 2002
     • Health Matters (一切由慎开始), 2002
     • Journey Across Mongolia (真心真意—蒙古之行), 2002
     • Health Matters II (一切由慎开始Ⅱ), 2003
     • Chronicles of Life (我爱我家真实记录), 2004
     • Journey Across Lesotho (真心真意—莱索托之旅), 2004
     • Zoe’s Mummy Tips! (阿姐有喜了), 2004
     • Zoe’s Treasure Trove! (阿姐有个宝), 2005
     Travelogue
     • Wonders of the World (惠眼看世界), 2003
     • Wonders of the World 2 (惠眼看世界2), 2004
     Awards
     • Model of the Year, 1987
     • Star Search Champion, 1988
     • Friday Weekly Year Most Popular Artist (TV Group) Champion, 1992
     • Star Awards Top 5 Most Popular Female Artists, 1993
     • Star Awards Top 5 Most Popular Female Artists, 1994
     • Star Awards Most Popular Actress, 1994
     • Friday Weekly Most Popular Artist (TV Group) Champion, 1994
     • Star Awards Top 5 Most Popular Female Artists, 1995
     • Star Awards Most Popular Actress, 1995
     • Star Awards Top 5 Most Popular Female Artists, 1996
     • Star Awards Best Actress, 1996
     • Friday Weekly Most Popular Artist (TV Group) Champion, 1996
     • Star Awards Top 10 Most Popular Female Artists, 1997
     • Lime Magazine Favourite Local Actress, 1997
     • The New Paper Babe of the Year, 1997
     • Star Awards Top 10 Most Popular Female Artists, 1998
     • Star Awards Special Achievement Award Winner, 1998
     • The New Paper Babe of the Year, 1998
     • Star Awards Top 10 Most Popular Female Artists, 1999
     • The New Paper Babe of the Year, 1999
     • Star Awards Top 10 Most Popular Female Artists, 2000
     • The New Paper Babe of the Year, 2000
     • Star Awards Top 10 Most Popular Female Artists, 2001
     • Star Awards Malaysia Most Popular Actress, 2001
     • Cita Bella Best Cover Contest – Most Sexy Cover, Most Creative Cover & Top Honour for Best Cover (among 100 covers), 2002
     • Singapore FHM 100 Most Sexiest Women in the world – Rank 74, 2002
     • Lian He Zao Bao Favourite Asian Idol 2002 – Rank. 7, 2002
     • Star Awards Top 10 Most Popular Female Artists, 2002
     • Star Awards Most Popular Female Artists (Malaysia), 2002
     • Lian He Zao Bao Favourite Asian Idol 2003 – Rank. 1, 2003
     • Star Awards Most Popular Female Artists (Malaysia), 2003
     • Star Awards Most Popular TV Partners, 2003
     • Star Awards Top 10 Most Popular Female Artists, 2003
     • Lime Magazine Favourite Local Actress, 2003
     • Friday Weekly Most Popular Artist (TV Group) 2nd Runner-Up, 2004
     • Lian He Zao Bao Favourite Asian Idol 2004 – Rank. 4, 2004
     • Star Awards All Time Favourite Artist Award (First Female Artist to received this award!), 2004
     • Lian He Zao Bao Favourite Asian Idol 2005 – Rank. 7 (The First Singaporean In Top 10!), 2005

205. to paul on 25 Nov 2009 at 9:59 am #

     

     fann should concentrate to start family with christopher. zoe should concentrate parent volunteer work for her sons. this fighting bad for them. now, the new generation of ah jies we should promote are: ann, jeannette, rui en and eelyn. can ask whoever and whatever to rewind 10 years when discussing zoe and fann, discussing them now is like wasting blog space i feel. their positions established many years ago, like lisa wang and carol cheng in tvb. so no nid to fight i’m sure. fighting about them only degrades them, isn’t it?

206. hehe on 25 Nov 2009 at 2:31 pm #

     

     The WALL OF TEXT from the fann fans seem to be 非常小心眼 hor..they not only fighting with zoe fans and now trying to frame the 7P fans to get involved. So evil lor….
     They themselves become PARROTs not enough and now trying to seduce the other fans to join in. So CHEAP tactics !! We die die also dun get involved.

207. to ahboyahgirl on 25 Nov 2009 at 2:37 pm #

     

     seriously no offence ahboyahgirl, you’re just plain funny you know or not. why u list zoe tay’s achievements that were EONS ago?! (1980s, 1990s) and the achievements why stop at 2005? what did zoe achieve in 2006, 2007, 2008 and this year? ZERO.
     ohyes, zoe did achieve smth la, the SI BEI SUAY AWARD organised by newpaper cos everything she did was condemn…the others like fann wong, huang bi ren, chen liping did achieve much in the recent 3 years.
     and don’t come and list down endorsements of zoe. make ppl wanna laugh. her endorsement always draw criticism. from “i SWALLOW” to the Xtrim Cha cha cha (no business instead) to the endorsment of milk powder (where she said she breast feed but then on TV said she give baby milk powder) etc. and 80% of the endorsement listed there are 10 years ago. don’t keep raking up the past (unless she already resign like huang bi ren/li jing mei then can use the past record). and the mag cover, of cos zoe always do well lar, almost every cover (in past 5 years) feature her in sexy outfit/ BIKINI with the title “does she look like a mom of 2?” . all the ah-pek buy. however, not all actress will do such degrading act ‘cos they have other talent (acting,singing etc). zoe got nothing. so have to use her body on magazines.
     i think i’m stating the facts btw

208. ahboyahgirl on 25 Nov 2009 at 3:40 pm #

     

     what did zoe achieve in 2006, 2007, 2008 and this year? ZERO.
     U ask STUPID question ppl was expecting by giving birth to 2 baby boys during the period of 2006 to 2008 how to get involve in filming? dun make a fool of yourself. EMPTY NUTSKULL.

209. ahboyahgirl on 25 Nov 2009 at 3:45 pm #

     

     btw….u must be the same a**hole by using different names like Vopa, newsynosey, vanderbilt1 and now is ruienfanvi
     Passerby found in Paul’s blog and tat WetCloudySky (Junior STOMPer) just to name a few enjoyed singing the same song, same tune and tone all over other forum then later come back by using another name again to convince ppl that “every Singaporean “ dislike Zoe but actually is the same SUPER a**hole trying to defame Zoe.
     Earlier on not surprising those so called Ms. Tan, chen tai tai or Mr. Chan defame Zoe on newspaper, magazine e.t.c. could be the same a**hole again.

     (Paul: I also think so…may thunder and lightning strike that person…wohahaha)

210. Sam on 25 Nov 2009 at 4:26 pm #

     

     zoe is an icon. pls give your due respect to her, pple. enough of all this quarrelling. she has whether you people like it or not, has established herself. so fanns of those who have yet to reach her level, keep your big gap shut. there’s a reason why i do not see fans of xiang yun, chen liping and aileen tan behaving in like childish manner as this. only the immature are so disrespectful. to me, zoe has already long since graduated when she attained her “lifetime award” some years back. when she was an ah jie, some of you may only be in school, de. period.

211. antiCHW on 25 Nov 2009 at 5:45 pm #

     

     Try me.
     Looks like Zoe’s fans are all the same one person instead.

     Anyway, everyone agrees Zoe sucks. Period.
     JA outranks everyone among 7ps. Period.

     Fann, rest well. And, I won’t say a word again. Since people here will try their best to insult the one stating facts and truth, I don’t think I have what it takes to deal with rude and stupid people.

     Peace, as you wish.

212. To last few comments on 26 Nov 2009 at 1:10 am #

     

     @ ahgirlahboy: Well said! everyone knows zoe went to give birth from 2005-2007. Maybe those haters think she still has to continue to act while being pregnant. How uncompassionate.

     (Paul: I also think so…may thunder and lightning strike that person…
     wohahaha)

     @ Paul: I like your response Paul! This person might very well be antiCHW!

     @ antiCHW: Yeah, everyone agrees Zoe sucks. DESPITE the fact (as you claim) that she sucks, she is still regarded as an icon in the local TV industry. No matter how much / how often you defame her, it is effortless. Don’t bother to try and suck up to us JA fans by saying she is the best. I know she is not the best amongst the 7ps, she has her flaws as well, but she is still my favouritest princess of all. JA fans won’t follow your footsteps and claim she is the best like what you did with fann, we not so stupid.

     Last word: Fann don’t suck, but her one fan (who poses as many other identities) does!!!!!!

213. thanx goodness! on 26 Nov 2009 at 9:05 am #

     

     thanx paul for comment on thunder n lightning strriking the same person down.. u agree right, may be the same one person

     thanx goodness this has come to an end…. phew! i not a big fan of zoe, the insults were too much liao, reading them were a pain. the way the person twist words, very good, lucky we all know not true.

214. to ahboyahgirl on 26 Nov 2009 at 12:01 pm #

     

     don’t give rubbish excuse la, ahboyahgirl! people ivy lee and huang bi ren also pregnant, how come they still can get awards, acting nominations leh (excluding top 10 since zoe already got all time fav)? ivy lee still get best actress leh, huang biren also , and the most popular actress huang bi ren also got wat.

     don’t lie lor, zoe acted FIVE or six dramas over the past 5 years, why she not even nominated? she no talent ma.

     zoe leh?? 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 if every year she pregnant should have 5 children wat (including 2005’s one). then why now she only 2 children?? then what she do during the extra 3 years??? BLEH. ahboyahgirl, u then no brain.

215. pleasestop! on 26 Nov 2009 at 6:29 pm #

     

     Why must people make comparisons between Zoe and Fann? I like both of them because I think they are good actresses in their own way and they give audience different experiences. Of course, at times, one of them might do better than the other but isn’t it normal? We all have our good and bad times. I don’t see why anyone needs to defame anyone because it feels so meaningless. It sounds as though one party is jealous of the other… No offence to anyone, I just felt a little sad that both of them are always thrown around in such conversations… They don’t deserve any of it.

216. to: to ahboyahgirl on 27 Nov 2009 at 2:53 am #

     

     Zoe got one show in 2006 and two shows in 2008. She didn’t get nominated for both her shows By My Side and La Femme last year. She didn’t get nominated for A Million Treasures in 2006. That’s all.

     A Million Treasures was only legible for 2007 SA, and since it was broadcast at the end of 2006, the chances for her getting nominated in 2007 were extremely slim. Audiences and judges would have forgotten the show by then.

     In 2009, she had two chances, By My Side and La Femme. La Femme was an average show but the impression she left was not lasting. By My Side her performance was subtle and shadowed by Chen Hanwei. That’s probably why she was left out. I guess the judges were looking for something different, because even Ivy Lee was shut out (I was totally shocked!).

217. To to: to ahboyahgirl on 27 Nov 2009 at 7:52 pm #

     

     i beg to differ…zoe tay also got 2 shows (mighty in laws and man at 40) in year 2004…this are 2 very outstanding roles…she also not nominated…so this shows that her pregnancy (in 2004) should not be a reason to explain why she is not nominated / getting awards.

218. Karma on 27 Nov 2009 at 8:20 pm #

     

     R u guys trying to restart it all?
     STOP!

219. 12345 on 28 Nov 2009 at 12:01 pm #

     

     Stop dwelling on history.

     2010 is coming soon, real soon!

220. Li Lin on 30 Nov 2009 at 3:12 pm #

     

     If fans are still fighting over Zoe and Fann, it means the 2 Ah Jies are still popular. Nobody fights over have-beens.

221. to whoever it is on 01 Dec 2009 at 11:46 am #

     

     Mighty-in-laws and Man-at-forty were more of comedy shows. Mighty was end of the year one, onli legible for following year one, last time this kind of show usu quite hard to get nominated one loh. only this yr golden path got, but most likely is cos it is a big production. I thought she got nomination for man-at-forty? I remember that was the last time she got nomination. after that mighty, a million treasures, la femme, By my side dun hv. 4 shows. not so bad la. i dun like her in might and million treasures, but i was angry she got no nominations for By my side cos she really acted very well, especially her inner emotions loh.

     (Paul: You meant Zoe? She got ‘The Ultimatum’ and she was quite good in that…)

222. Please la on 01 Dec 2009 at 9:51 pm #

     

     Zoe Tay should just retire and stop disgracing herself any further. Look at how low she is now compared to before, would it be nice to see her go down somemore? She obviously cannot make it already.

     (Paul: You want to take over and become the new Ah Jie or Ah Ge right? Dang Gu Gu)

223. Please la on 01 Dec 2009 at 11:25 pm #

     

     Paul, you are more Queen la. You be the next lor

224. ahboyahgirl on 02 Dec 2009 at 9:19 am #

     

     (Paul: You want to take over and become the new Ah Jie or Ah Ge right? Dang Gu Gu) …….haha…well said.

     Dang Gu Gu if not WAIT LONG LONG lor…..

225. ahboyahgirl on 02 Dec 2009 at 9:29 am #

     

     Tell me other than FW who can compare and compete with ZOE’s records?
     HBR or Ivy ? show or list their records achievement from day 1 as what ZOE has obtained since day 1 ……..or else use detergent to flush your sh*tty mouth!and STOP TOKING rubbish.

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